OK LETS GET SERIOUS

Trying to look at everything with an open mind, let us take an "unbiased" look at 

this "PUNCH" to BUNCH thing.

 Of course, taking the previous condition of my Genius mindset, it is possible 

that I was, indeed showing myself to be a bit biased:) however I am used to 

that as my brain debates within itself like it was in a debate competition. I'm 

ready to take either side in a debate! Yep, i'm wierd, but as they say, knowing 

yer problem and admitting that; is half the battle toward the cure!

Here I am then, telling you that as the geno's did with Punch/Obama subject, 

my information comes to me about the rest of my family of BUNCH much the 

same way!

To make the sin greater; I knew that before I wrote those articles of.....er..

"Impeachment" (Yeah, that's funny to me. And that kind of tickles ma mind:)

I'm thinking about my Paul Bunch. You see that is about all we have....oops!

I typed "We" when I know better than include myself with the real Geno's work. 

You see, by necessity I am only A name collector. But as I was saying, all they 

have to work with is a hint of who lived where, and next to whom, and most the 

importantly when!

In a world not filled by; your local pharmacy, corner Quikstops, and supermall 

Opticians with "one hour" service for new trifocals. Perhaps two barbershops just 

in your neighborhood. There was no interferance in their lives, let alone 

"paperwork"! Back then there was no streets, let alone corners! 

Without much Government in their lives, there would be nothing to mark their 

passing in this world. What is left to us would be the usual haunts for family

searchers. Their list would be short indeed, as it is for any before the 1600's for 

sure. An old letter; a Bible; recorded deeds; "I remember what momma told 

me"; and that's about seventy percent more than people have to chase. Later, in 

the case of the BUNCH family, court cases are a big trail. Especially in the 

jurisdiction of the "Hanging Judge" of Arkansas. Drunk; Robbery; Thieft; Murder; 

all in the records. And back in Tennessee; counterfieting coins. Back in Old 

Virginia, it was Indians stealing hogs! And a biggie; trying to marry a White 

Woman! The audacity of some people that don't know they place.....:) 

Unless you were mentioned in some Officers' memoirs, or book about travels, 

perhaps a later surveyor's notes, then you were out of luck. So census records 

are very important. Before that, family Bibles filled with births and deaths, which 

are admissible in some cases in court, are a treasure, and a blessing. 

"Quitrents" would be all important. And if your a "Newby" and don't know of 

those, you have a bit of reading to do to catch up.

A hundred years ago, checking me for a "Secret Classification" was easy. The 

Navy came to town in civilian suits, so as to not stand out, which made them 

stand out. Overalls and a soiled, beat up old Stetson, as the Texas Rangers wear 

whenever they trapes around town would have been better. A quick in and out 

to drink a five cent bottled coke, is much better than a "Lawyer Look", or 

Insurance salesmen look, provoking a "stay away from me" attitude you would 

get from most people back in them days! Having a talk with my barber, the only 

pharmacist, and the principal, and your done. Matter of fact, thinking of it, they 

did all that within five blocks of my house! And of course my parents got a 

phone call from everyone they talked to! (I was almost seventeen:)

Well to quit fooling around just to practice my one finger typing skills; lets get to 

the other side of my brain and see what might just mitigate my judgement a 

wee bit. I remembered looking up Punch family hustory. I figured that if it is a 

real name, it must have come from somewhere. Now pulling up my notes from 

my lost file folder, which contains everything after the "C" prompt and the 

"Documents" folder, this is what I found.

"Punch History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms...The name Punch came to 

England with the ancestors of the Punch family in the Norman Conquest of 

1066. It comes from the Latin-Norman personal name Pontius, "hence, 

doubtless, as a diminutive the name Puncheon, variant of Punshon." 

So far, so good. 

"Two other sources claim the name was Norman in origin: having derived from 

the Old Norman French name Ponche or the Old French name Ponce; [2] and/or 

from the Norman name Poyntz or Ponz, a branch of the Fitz-Ponce family. [3]"

French? Sure, they seem to get into every thing:) 

"Early Origins of the Punch family

The surname Punch was first found in various counties throughout Britain. The 

first record of the family was found in the Pipe Rolls of 1181 where Godfrey, 

Phillip Punch(e) was listed. Seman Ponche was listed in the Subsidy Rolls of 

Suffolk in 1327. [2] The Hundredorum Rolls of 1273 list: Robert Punche in 

Oxfrdshire; and Philip Punche in Suffolk. Later the Rolls of Parliament listed 

John Punche, yeoman of the crown (no date given.) [4]"

Oh! So now we have names! we might trace em' down to see which one 

immigrated to the colonies? Skipping down to avoid stuff, we com e to the 

'nitty-gritty.

""The manor [of Linch in Sussex] is described in the Domesday Survey under the 

name of Lince, and at the time when that record was compiled, there were two 

ministers here, with a church. In the 16th century, the place was parcel of the 

estates of the dukes of Norfolk; it afterwards became the property of Viscount 

Montague, and eventually of the family of Poyntz." [6]"

Oh cra-rud! Look what popped up! Most would miss this, not being well-read of 

history, luckily I am. But what a surprise! Especially to me...that name "Poyntz".

Ain't that one of them ancient spellings for BUNCH?

"Anglo-Norman names tend to be marked by an enormous number of spelling 

variations. This is largely due to the fact that Old and Middle English lacked any 

spelling rules when Norman French was introduced in the 11th century. The 

languages of the English courts at that time were French and Latin. These 

various languages mixed quite freely in the evolving social milieu. The final 

element of this mix is that medieval scribes spelled words according to their 

sounds rather than any definite rules, so a name was often spelled in as many 

different ways as the number of documents it appeared in. The name was 

spelled Punch, Poyntz, Pons and others."

That name "Pons" is even closer, And wasn't there a "BUNCH ROW/ROWE" that 

I talked about? Well, it's fairly evident that "PUNCH" and "BUNCH" are involved 

in ancient history of England. End of story! 

Thing is. why was I so....blind?  Ok, ok,  I was close to being wrong. Worse still, 

why is that so hard for a Genius like me to admit?  :)

Later,

Dan Bunch

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WHY BUY A DOG WHEN YA GOT A WHOLE HERD OF PLAYMATES?

 THE BLACK AND WHITE OF JOHN PUNCH

" Of the fewer than one hundred African men who resided in Virginia 

before 1640, John Punch is the only man who bears a surname similar to 

Bunch."

"The March 1620 Census Of Virginia ("....892 Europeans,.32 Africans (17 

of whom were male) and four Indians")"

The first questions to my mind are; 

1) Why does he have a surname?

2) Where is the list of the surnames/names of the other 32 Africans?

3) Do you know how many other surnames that "Punch" is similar to? 

Now listen, I am only asking questions here. you know, just to learn and 

think about the things assumed about the geno and the past things of 

family. I wonder if you know about this feller, Bunch Row?

Souece: Washington and his Neighbors; Wm. and Mary Qrtly., Vol. 4, No. 

1, 1895

Washington and his Neighbors

Lyon G. Tyler

"Until 1630 the settlements of the English in Virginia were confined to

the Accomac Peninsula and the valley of the James.  In 1630 the first

settlements were planted on the south side of the York River at Chiskiack

and York. " 

No! I ain't got that back'ards. It is correctly, Bunch Row. And his name 

come to mind as I thought of the many ways slaves, and truely, any man 

or woman could, and did change their names, fast as they changed...shoes. 

(They didn't wear underwear, or for that matter, shoes very often back 

then!)

"14.  Andrew1 Monroe had grants in Virginia from 1650 to 1662.  He is

referred to in the Maryland Archives in one place as "mariner".  He died

about 1668, when his widow married secondly George Horner.  He had 

issue,

1, Susannah; 2, Elizabeth, married Bunch Roe; 3, Andrew2; 4, George; 5,

William."

Memory plays tricks on me now-a-days. But I read about this feller years 

ago. Heres what I remember.

Bunch Row, son of Bunch Row, son of Bunch Row, a Dutchman, was living 

in New Amsterdam back in about 1664, when the English fleet attacked! 

Having gotten the word in advance, the Dutch had already skedat'led! The 

English sailed in, without firing a shot in anger, and claimed all the city and 

lands about.

That act made Bunch Row an English citizen. He was glad I reckon, 

because he went across country, to Virginia. How he crossed overland 

through some of the wildest Indian and rogue infested territory I'll never 

understand, but according to the story, he did that!

Soon in Virgina, he bought land, was lucky enough to garner, by auction or 

trade, some slaves. And then he planted tobacco. And of course, enter into 

marrage within one of the finest Old Pioneer Planter families on the river. 

(soon to be s Presidential family.)

You know, the place wherefrom all the Presidential Ancestors that have 

ever been elected to "lead" this great country have mysteriously come

from. That's why they are all kin to one-another! And of course, to me.

So...how many "servants", and then slaves, have taken a word they liked 

or chose; or the name or parts thereof of their master for their own name, 

in history?

By the way. when you pull off the very top of each plant of tobacco in 

order to make it branch out into many leaves, as you would for a "mary 

jane" plant, it's called, "bunching", or "to bunch the plant".

Later,

Dan Bunch

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RELSHUFFLE THEM CARDS  

(DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT EMAILING ME! You'll get no answer these days)

"I depted from James Towne the 9th of August 1610 And" I....."threatned 

to cutt of his heade whereupon the slave alltered his Cowrse and..."

Did he just say, "SLAVE"? Before 1610?  Lets check this against what I 

read.

CHARLES CITTY TIMELINE WITH BUNCH

1608 - First Two Women arrive in Jamestown

1619 - First Africans arrive in Jamestown ("It's not clear if the Africans are 

considered slaves or indentured servants.")

1620 - The Bride Ship arrives in Jamestown

The March 1620 Census Of Virginia ("....892 Europeans, .32 Africans (17 

of whom were male) and four Indians")

1651 - John Bunch "born: about 1630 in England/Scotland/Wales, came to 

Lancaster County, Virginia in 1651 as an indentured servant." 

1716 -TRANSPORTED JACOBITE REBELS (yeah, there is a list of names.)

"Proceedings of the County Courts of Kent (1648-1676), Talbot (1662-

1674), and Somerset (1665-1668)"

"In Company with William Bunch saruant Saruant to Obidia Judkin When 

he Run away from his Master.....Abidiah Judkins"

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bunch-40"

See Documenting the ancestors of Barack Obama and the descendants - 

“Documenting President Barack Obama's Maternal African-American 

Ancestry: Tracing His Mother's Bunch Ancestry to the First Slave in 

America” 

https://ia601406.us.archive.org/23/items/25004473/25004473.pdf."

"Bunch Family Tree. Whatever Happened To The Melungeons??? Web. 7 

Feb. 2018. <https://pamsfamilytrees.weebly.com/>."

We are right here honey! Can slaves buy land, or get it awarded? Are their 

children ever born free? Can they then buy land? Some may forget that the 

appointed men don't rule alone. The church judges, fines, awards lashes, 

lengthens servitude years, binds children to tradesmen for years, put men 

in stocks, and keeps the money from fines they levey! A bastard child must 

be confessed to on "his" (the father's) knees! He gets a fine, thirty lashes. 

She gets years added to her indenture, her child bound out, for a fee of 

course!

WikiTree

"Anastasia Harman, Paul C. Reed, Natalie D. Cottrill, Joseph Shumway, 

"Documenting President Barack Obama’s maternal African-American 

ancestry: tracing his mother’s Bunch ancestry to the first slave in America," 

(Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 16 July 2012) Read at Internet Archive."

"Kathie (Parks) Forbes;"The Ancestry document on the descendants of 

John Punch [1] is VERY well documented."

Genealogy of Barack Hussein Obama Jr

AND...For a few generations, Genealogy of Dan Bunch

1 John BUNCH b: 1636 d: 1700

  + Mary b: 1640

    2 John BUNCH b: 1665 d: 1729

      + Temperance BATES

        3 John BUNCH b: 1690 d: 14 MAR 1741

          + Rebecca HARRISON b: 1699 d: 16 MAR 1770

            4 Samuel BUNCH b: 1726 d: 1783

              + Mary HUDSON b: 1726 d: 31 JAN 1792

I ain't try'n to pick a fight here, only try'n to understand. Just by going with 

what I've read, what about.....

Morning Bunch of the Rose Bunch Tuckahoe Indian Tribe? She didn' get 

that name from one of her husbands named "BUNCH", cause' he changed 

it from "BUNDREN", which didn' make his dad angry. Since he changed his 

name from "BOUNDURANT", to "BUNDREN"! To BUNDREN to reflect 

"English" instead of "Alsace" (French), where his family immigrated from. 

Also in the case of marryin', kin of Rose Bunch, (Me Mum's Name also!) it 

was for trade'n with the indians. By the way my SNEED married her(the 

Indian Rose Bunch) too!

What about people coming to the "new world" and not checking in with the 

English authorities? As one young man did, trying to Drop out of Society. 

Then, finding the indians getting cheated by the English Traders, wrote his 

"Billionaire" shipping Father to send some of "His"; Jr's, own ships! (He 

might'a dropped out, but thanks to Grandpa, he, Junior, was a shipping 

"millionaire" himself, and saw an opportuity to help the poor indiginous 

souls! (Forgot Jr's name) He also taught the Indians math; English; 

German; French Languages; and very importantly, value of money in trade.

What about the black African that walked to VA from Mexico, surviving an 

indian attack that whipped out a Spanish Military patrol? Do you reckon 

Capt Cook left any BLACKS behind, judging them not to have family to 

pay huge ransom?

Later,

Dan Bunch

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Koko Pellijojo made of aluminum wire   Went fishing and caught a Mammoth!

 P

 

 Dan Note: From an earlier email. An answer in a dialogue. Reproduced here just to get you thinking in term you might not be used to.

Howdy,

SO!..........................you're into cannibalism? :)

I think you are not correct.........entirely:) When you say;

"For me, I am [CURRENTLY] convinced that the Portuguese ship(s)

of Angolan slaves--freed to indenture in and around Jamestown

(and possibly elsewhere, but apparently not recorded) up and down

the coast, ARE the core, and the single shared element among ALL

Melungeons.  And that NOT ALL the Angolans' family lines led to

Melungia, but that SOME did."

I think you meant; "from indenture"? But as they, "the first blacks" imported 

by the Dutch ship, we now know which ship they were taken from, as I 

understand it? And then we know it was from Dutch controlled Africa? No 

matter...my thinking is that as ONE person, a doctor, arriving on an English 

ship as the Medical Officer, bought most all of the black "servants never a 

slave" cargo. This Doctor (sorry cannnot now recall name:( was one that was 

killed during an indian uprising. (1622) His widow was holed up with two

children and another man while he went to the aid / medical care, of others. 

He was slain within sight of the cabin. The widow hit an Indian on the head 

whenever he entered through the chimney or ceiling. The other man was 

also fighting. (With A long barreled Goose gun, later shipped to England to 

have the barrel cut off.) A neighbor or servant, I forget which. (A 

shoemaker) And the two small boys, each taking the nickname of the thing 

they had to hid under, a washtub and a cookpot? or some such, for the rest 

of their lives! Both were very young. She remarried and moved later. 

Thing is; if these, the largest group of African "imports", all were owned by 

one person, one could assume that they also, at least for a while, lived, ate, 

and mated, within hearing distance of one another:) That would mean that 

their children, and grandchildren, might have also been close in physical 

communication:) So that the first mating of African/European, would have 

intermarried with European or the "same kind" next generation, ie 

European/African. This is encouraging. In that it is easier to look for a "core" 

than a scattering of "enlisted" or "volunteers", say for instance.

However, to say that in generations later on, they all stayed together, or 

interbred, is a bit harder to understand the logic, if it indeed happened that 

way. One or two going to a place and intermarrying and isolating themselves 

is more understandable, and would make the outcome the same as many 

going and doing so. But the difference is the Eurpean influx into the two 

genepools (assuming the African to be of the same tribe/family?) and would 

thus give rise to different looks, hair, eye color, etc.

I don't think this is the "core" if you want to call it that. I think that the 

"core" was here already when the African/European admixture took place! 

Yes, I think the "soon-to-be-melungeon", that is, the other half of the 

equasion, was already here for the African "imports" to intermarry with, was 

already here. They were, probably, no.........PROBABLY (so you dont' take it 

as fact and beat me to death with what I said:) Pamunkey survivors and 

others. I think these "others" are of course "both and all" of the 

aforementioned, that is to say, Gypsy; survivors of conflicts; imported; etc. 

And that is why they seem to us to be a mighty mix of many colors and 

creeds and races. The fact is, that most were sailors, or "clams" in that they 

are beach living people, tied to the sailor's trade and or industry. Or t'would 

figure that way. (By "imports" I mean Miners to Germania)                           

            

So let's say for arguing sake that there was Pamunkey where the first ship 

landed (there was) and that they were then entreated and mated with (they 

certainly were) and then that later on they were raided, and before that, 

individuals were thrown into the water from the ships and used as target 

practice, (they were! all true!) and then, at the last, surrounded by 

Europeans and indians, and slaughtered ALMOST intirely. (also true) 

Now, if this thinking is correct, they would have no love for most Europeans 

nor Indians! That too figers. Then a wierd thing happened on the way to 

independence. There was a "cottage industry" set up, by the survivors and 

others, a house of 'ill repute", if I can say it that way. Because the joke was 

for a sailor or enlisted man, to "go see the Queen" (of Pamunkey). That is to 

say, the Pamunkey (offspring that is? colored", as they say) have been dis-

enfranchised and the Pamunkey Tribe now have a discrimination clause in 

their constitution today. They "forbid" any black ancestry/blood from being 

part of their tribe and or reservation they now have. (it was public land 

mostly, now only a few acres). That too could figure into the equasion. (I say 

"now" because it is still in their "charter")

So, what do we have so far? African ancestry for everyone. European 

ancestry for everyone. Outcast for everyone. And now all we need to bring 

it to a boil is "reason for leaving and or wanting to hide". And if we look at 

history, and dan's:) ancestry, we can figure that out too! The new laws 

against intermarriage with whites. And then laws that, in effect, made all fpc 

and/or african servants, slaves for life in Virginia on a particular day.

Add to that the confusion brought on by my ancestor wanting to intermarry, 

about who was considered mulloto; mullata; how many generations to 

"White"; and so forth.

They MIGHT have come from Germania! As MY ancestors did come from 

Germania. And that would bring us to the most unusual fact of early history 

anyone could dream up. 

There was a man named Priber.

1 Christian Gottlieb Priber b: 21 MAR 1697 d: ABT 1744

  + A Cherokee Moytoy b: ABT 1720?

    2 Cristian Place Priber b: ABT 1737?

    2 Creat Priber b: 1740 d: 1790

      + Chief Doublehead (Taltsuska) b: BET 1744 AND 1799 d: 09 AUG 1807

Now, old Priber was from Europe, was well educated, knowing many 

languages. Origonally wanting to immigrate to thr colonies. He applied first 

for allotment land the Jamestown area. This was finally granted, but he did 

not take it, due to his absence from the area. Where did he go? 

Well, seems he heard of a German settlement! Germania, I presume (from 

the gedcoms:), where he got hooked up with the native americans. In fact 

he was adopted into the tribe. He ad learned the language, dressed as a 

native, and lived AS A NATIVE. Many of MY DECENDANTS were in Germania, 

and environs. (remember, I AM a Melungeon line from the "core", if you 

want to put it that way:) And there he became an Indian!

I'm not kidding here. He, for all practical purposes, was indian. He taught 

them. He did not teach them English, French, math, because they already 

knew that!!!! (They all could read, write, and do math, taught them many 

years before by one European "father" that lived in a cave above Jamestown 

in the early years! (Son of a rich shipping merchant.) And so what Priber did, 

was teach them how to trade with the English and others. 

This p.o.'ed the English! The English traders had to actually give good and 

equal value for what they wanted! Astonishing!! But not for long. For the 

British thought he was a "spy" and an instigator, and an ambassador in the 

employ of France. As such, he could be hunted down and imprisioned. Which 

is exactly what happened. He was imprisioned, where he wrote, in Cherokee

the bible; or the New Testament, (part of?). Which writing has never been 

found. This in aide / collaboration with a monk/priest. He also enjoyed the 

visits of many educated and liberal english. But he died in prison. His son 

sold everything of value his father had (before or after death, maybe before 

for bond/eating money?).

And the main thing is; he started a "Utopia"! 

Now, a utopia, in order to qualify as a "utopia", has to accept people. Which 

people? Well, some would be the blessed and educated and monied. But that 

would be a minority. Some would be Indian. And some majority would be 

about the "dregs" of society. Yes I am talking about MY ancestors, and 

probably yours! (as mine intermarried with Indian and Germanic) This would 

then be seen as a major problem to England. 

If this is correct, then there must be at least one (one to three generations 

per hundred years, buddy:) figuring some overlapping. I do remember a 

1960's life cover picture of a slave, showing his back which was whelped with 

the swollen scars of many whip strikes. The last "confederate war veteran" 

did not die until the late 1960's, to put "time" into perspective. Also, about 

Peleg (from my weakened memory:) "In his days was the earth divided" 

means physically, the seas filling the new gaps:)? or, politically, the sea of 

people filling the gaps?:) anyway, ...........there had to be one or two or more 

generations of the offspring of the mating in this Utopia, of Scot (irish-no 

irish:) and indian/ and scot/english/indian/germanic as mine is scot 

"SNEED/McNabb" married to "Willhoite" Germanic/indian, as the 

Willhoite/wilhoit/wilhite/wilhart/ family (even though one says there is no 

intermarrage with indian in the family:) They married at least once:) cause I 

am here!:)

But also there had to be more "entanglements" of races and genotypes, in a 

Utopia, that does occure often. And then as the main man was captured, and 

imprisioned, wouldn't there be a need of flight, for some? The Indians then, 

mostly mullotto actually, as all the historically named ones we know of today, 

(that others teach are "Native American" and "victims" of Europeans, are 

really mullotto, or interbred and could read and write and decifer:) would 

shake out of the mix. The interbreed (looking physically non-Indian 

perhaps? :) leaving one direction, south, and the Indian leaving to the 

southwest? And this is a "Core" of the Melungeon? They, MY family, went to 

help build a Fort Blackmoore. And stayed to live along the Clinch.

This is as close as I can come to the reasoning about this "core" Melungeon. 

I cannot say that I can substantiate any of this, except to point to the history I 

read, and the gedcoms containing Priber and my family and germanic family 

and "assuming" African influx into the Bunch line. I do know that there were 

Bunch Indians. A "Rose Bunch Tuckaho Tribe" which a Boundurant/Bundren 

son married into. Just to mention a different line.

Actually, Boundurant coming to America with his wife; his son changed his 

name to Bundren. And one of his sons , marrying a Mourning Bunch of the 

Rose Bunch Tuckahoe tribe changed his name to Bunch. (or did he marry 

Rose Bunch? I forget:) For trade or protection or both? Perhaps.

No doubt I did not come down this line of bunch! Why, because I am also kin 

to the person next to marry her! A Sneed? Of which I am sure of. And so, we 

may have this Utopian name? It may well have been "Tuckahoe"! That would 

figure! If there was a Tuckahoe tribe, it could have been the name of the 

Utopia that Priber started/joined! Also, it is the name of a root dug from the 

riverbank used to make bread. And the name of an Indian stupid enough to 

show two white men where to dig for gold in exchange for a rifle, which they 

gave to him one bullet at a time! 

Thinking gives me a headache, so that is as far as I can go today. And 

actually, that is about as far as I can go logically, that is, without refering to 

written family stories I gathered online, logically. So I will think on this some 

more. And wait to see if there are any that know more about Priber, a 

facinating person in history. If we use ME as the "benchmark" here, then 

there is a proximity of provincial progeny projected to Priber:) Wow! No 

wonder my head hurts:)

Later,

dan bunch

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                                                                   MY DISTANT KIN

Bunch,Native Americans, Saponi, Cherokee, Melungeon,

 What do you do 

With a drunken Sailor?

 What do you do 

With a drunken Sailor?

Root beer bottle, battery fan, rubberband,and tape!

Or a computer, whose fan goes South just as the snow falls on a Holiday? At midnight?

You McGiver! You adapt! You get the job done! Complete the mission! 

Life is fun,If ya' don't weaken :)

Dan Bunch

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Just for fun