Howdy,

DAN NOTE: Earlier I posted this line below to include BUNCH to Pocahontas kinfolk. Here then are some sources, and some updates from my reading that is hard to believe. Not according to "Hoyle" as far as Geno Rules that the "real Geno's harp on us "name-collectors" and amateurs about! Things no one ever told me! Or posted it to inform me!

From http://powhatan.org, Information from the Powhatan Nation

"And it is here the story gets really interesting. While the history books have long insisted Thomas had but one New World wife, the aforementioned Jane Poythress, recent scholarship has shown that Wyndam Robertson, in his 1887 book, "Pocahontas and Her Descendants," took it upon himself, ostensibly in the interest of clearing up all the spousal confusion, to simply designate an 'official wife' ["I adopt (the name) Jane Poythress"]. As a result of this sloppy genealogy by a prominent historian and theologian, 'Jane Poythress,' a clearly arbitrary name, has ever since been identified by nearly all historians as the undisputed, lone American wife of Thomas Rolfe."

(DN) Yepper! The name, 'Jane Poythress,'IS FAKE! Steady there; If ya ain't ready, there's more!

"[Our records start] with the Indian chief, Murmuring Ripple, who died in 1495. According to the olden history, he was the father of Dashing Stream, who was born May 6, 1474, on the banks of a tributary of the Lancer river, which headed in the Blue Ridge mountains. He died in 1540. Dashing Stream was the father of Scented Flower, who was born June 3, 1517, at the junction of the Dan and Staunton rivers in Virginia. Scented Flower was the father of Powhatan [whose real name was Wahunsenacawh, a Pamunkey who became king, or powhatan, of the confederation of coastal tribes], born June 17, 1545, near New River, Va., and died in 1622, at the age of 77 years. [He had] a daughter by the name of Pocahontas, who was born in 1596, near Jamestown, Va."

"Please note: the names MURMURING RIPPLE, DASHING STREAM and SCENTED FLOWER are FICTIONAL!"

(DN) FICTIONAL! Now, you may have known this, but no one ever posted to tell Dan Bunch this!!

(I always suspected certain names were just too cool and "co-inky-dinky" for me to digest.

"New research over the past few decades [Slatten and Moore, John Brayton, and others] has exposed this long-lived, self-serving Robertson fabrication. It has also unearthed tantalizing fresh evidence linking Thomas Rolfe to other females besides "Jane Poythress" (whoever she was). They include: 1) a cousin of Pocahontas named Oconoco, or Oi Poi. One of their children has been identified as Thomas "Powhatan" Rolfe. Oral tradition says he insisted all his life on being called "Powhatan" 2) a Dorothy Jennings of North Carolina 3) an Indian maid of Dorothy's named Mary Grimes."

"To summarize then, Thomas Rolfe must have had several children, perhaps as many as twelve according to some reports, and they almost certainly issued from more than one wife or mistress. The following offspring have been named in several different accounts, with varying degrees of evidence and conjecture in their support:

- Anne Rolfe Elwyn, born 1633, mother, Elizabeth Washington - John Rolfe, born circa early 1640s, mother, "Jane Poythress" - Thomas Rolfe, Jr., born circa 1645, mother, "Jane Poythress" - William Rolfe, born circa late 1640s, mother, "Jane Poythress" - Jane Rolfe Bolling, born circa 1650, mother, "Jane Poythress" - Ann/Anne/Anna Rolfe Barnett, born circa 1653-65, mother unknown--"Jane Poythress?" Oi Poi? - Thomas "Powhatan" Rolfe, born circa 1665, mother, Oi Poi..."

Capt. John Thomas Rolfe

1585–1622

BIRTH 6 MAY 1585 • Hecham, Norfolkshire, Watkins, England

DEATH 22 MAR 1622 • Jamestown, James City, Virginia, United State

Scent Flower 1480-1525

Wife of Capt. John Thomas Rolfe

Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream 1517-1600

Daughter of Scent Flower

Scent Flower 1517-1600

Daughter of Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream

Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL POWHATAN) Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe) 1545-1618

Son of Scent Flower

Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus 1590-1620

Son of Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL POWHATAN) Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe)

Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum 1620-1664

Son of Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus

Paul (Native American) Winigum 1650-1700

Son of Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum

Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch 1668-1748 (Wife of my Paul Bunch est 1652,(1673-1727)

Daughter of Paul (Native American) Winigum

John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee) 1690-1775 (m Judith Hill 14  Feb 1765 Chowan Co., NC

Son of Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch

Sarah Allison Bunch 1690-1740

Daughter of John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee)

Maj. John Bunch Holder 1716-1816

Son of Sarah Allison Bunch

Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr 1750-1802

Son of Maj. John Bunch Holder

John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder 1783-1834

Son of Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr

Ann Maria Holden(Holder) 1809-1858

Daughter of John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder

Cornelia Angela Kimball 1834-1941

Daughter of Ann Maria Holden(Holder)

Howard Milton Boullemet 1870-1921

Son of Cornelia Angela Kimball

Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays 1882-1949

Daughter of Howard Milton Boullemet

Lillie May Mazie Wittman 1919-1997

Daughter of Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays

Raymond

You are the son of Lillie

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DAN NOTE: (DN) FROM MY NOTES 

" Amy Winigum" FROM:

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Paul_Bunch_%281%29

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(DB) Oh My Lord! Who did Mr. Punch marry? What Ms. BUNCH?

https://www.theeuropeanlibrary.org/

Bunch Settlers in United States in the 17th Century

Miss Elizabeth Bunch, (b. 1615), aged 20, British settler who arrived in Virginia in 1635 aboard the ship "Alice" [3]

John Bunch, who arrived in Virginia in 1656 [4]

William Bunch, who arrived in Virginia in 1665-1666 [4]

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An Eno-Occoneechee petetion for recognition by the state of North Carolina gave Saponi Indians Jeramiah Bunch (s/o Henry Bunch born about 1690), George Gibson, and Henry Bunch (born about 1690, s/o Paul Bunch) land grants in 1785 along the Eno River just east of Hillsboro, North Carolina.

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https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Paul_Bunch_%281%29

 Amy Winigum

 (DN) "F" MEANS "FATHER"; "M" MEANS "MOTHER" Perhaps included are some mistakes and a few outright LIES! (I'm learning...)

Paul Bunch, Sr.

b.Abt 1664 Hannover, Virginia

d.1726 Chowan County, North Carolina

Family tree?

Name Amy Winigum

Gender Female

Birth? Abt 1668 North Carolina

Marriage 1689

to Paul Bunch, Sr.

Add Parents and Siblings

Spouse and Children

(edit)

H.  Paul Bunch, Jr.

1713 - 1762

W.  Naomi Winigum

Abt 1725 - Bet 1754 & 1819

m. 28 Nov 1748

Add another spouse & children

?Facts and Events

Name Naomi Winigum

Gender Female

Birth? Abt 1725

Marriage 28 Nov 1748 Orangeburg, South Carolina

to Paul Bunch, Jr.

Death? Bet 1754 and 1819

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(DN) MY FILE

https://www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/jeremiah-bunch-24-2pm2t9g

"Jeremiah Bunch John Bunce Mary Spears"

Jeremiah Bunch

Birth

1650 - New Kent, Virginia

Death

16 Nov 1727 - New Kent County, Virginia

Mother

Mary Spears

Father

John Bunce

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Parents

John Bunce born in Hartford, Hartford County, Connecticut, USA in 1650 ...

Mary Spears

1634 - 1734

Spouse(s)

1650 - 1733

Mary Spears 

John Bunce born in Hartford, Hartford County, Connecticut, USA in 1650 ...

1650 - 1733

Mary Spears

1634 - 1734

Born in New Kent County, Virginia, USA in 1634 ...

1634 - 1734

Spouse(s)

Mary? Indian Woman Saponi Tribe

1655 - 1700 Born in Virginia, United States in 1655 ...

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(DN) MY FILE "Husband of Unknown Indian Saponi Bunch"

"https://www.geni.com/people/Jeremiah-Bunch/6000000172425807138"

Jeremiah Bunch

Birthdate: 1650

Birthplace: England (United Kingdom)

Death: November 16, 1727 (76-77)

Immediate Family:

Husband of Unknown Indian Saponi Bunch

Father of Paul Bunch; Henry Bunch; Jesse Bunch; Ephraim Bunch and William Bunch

Managed by: Don Darrell Reid #MA447440C1

Last Updated: February 11, 2021

Immediate Family

Unknown Indian Saponi Bunch

wife

Paul Bunch

Henry Bunc

Jesse Bunch

Ephraim Bunch

William Bunch

About Jeremiah Bunch

Immigrated in 1671

Source Citation

Place: Virginia; Year: 1671; Page Number: 92 Source Information

Ancestry.com. U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2010.

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Jeremiah Bunch

b.Abt 1725 Chowan County, North Carolina

d.1797 Bertie County, North Carolina

Family tree?

Parents and Siblings

(edit)

F.  Henry Bunch

Abt 1690 - 1775

m.

Anne Nancy Bunch

Susannah Bunch

Abt 1714 - 1815

Jeremiah Bunch

Abt 1725 - 1797

Thomasine Bunch

Abt 1729 -

Rachel Bunch

Abt 1733 - Abt 1780

Embrey Bunch

1737 - 1788

Mary Nancy Ann Bunch

1738 - 1811

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Susannah Bunch

b.Abt 1714

d.1815 Greenville County, South Carolina

Family tree?

Parents and Siblings

(edit)

F.  Henry Bunch

Abt 1690 - 1775

m.

Anne Nancy Bunch

Susannah Bunch

Abt 1714 - 1815

Jeremiah Bunch

Abt 1725 - 1797

Thomasine Bunch

Abt 1729 -

Rachel Bunch

Abt 1733 - Abt 1780

Embrey Bunch

1737 - 1788

Mary Nancy Ann Bunch

1738 - 1811

Spouse and Children

(edit)

H.  Thomas Holder

1700 -

W.  Susannah Bunch

Abt 1714 - 1815

m. 7 Sep 1787

Aaron Holder

Elizabeth Bunch Holder

Lavinia Holder

Thomas Bunch Holder

John Bunch Holder

1730 - Bet 1790 & 1799

Elisha Holder

1735 - 1823

Isaac Lanley Holder

1743 -

William Holder

Bef 1755 - 1825

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(DN: FATHER OF SUSANNAH BUNCH

Henry Bunch

b.Abt 1690 Bertie County, North Carolina

d.1775 Bertie County, North Carolina

Family tree?

Parents and Siblings

(edit)

F.  Paul Bunch, Sr.

Abt 1664 - 1726

M.  Amy Winigum

Abt 1668 -

m. 1689

Henry Bunch

Abt 1690 - 1775

Shadrack Bunch

Abt 1706 - 1786

Fortune Bunch

Abt 1708 -

Jesse Bunch

1710 - 1795

John B. Bunch

1712 - Bet 1713 & 1802

Paul Bunch, Jr.

1713 - 1762

Spouse and Children

(edit)

H.  Henry Bunch

Abt 1690 - 1775

m.

Anne Nancy Bunch

Susannah Bunch

Abt 1714 - 1815

Jeremiah Bunch

Abt 1725 - 1797

Thomasine Bunch

Abt 1729 -

Rachel Bunch

Abt 1733 - Abt 1780

Embrey Bunch

1737 - 1788

Mary Nancy Ann Bunch

1738 - 1811

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Later,

Dan Bunch (Dirty Water Dan)

TEXAS

It's A great day here in TEXAS

 Howdy,

It's A great day here in TEXAS! Clear sky, crisp wind, neighbors talking about the torrential 

rain, horrendous wind, and almost a hun'drent tur'nad'urs we just lived through; you know, 

typical for North TEXAS.

I'm writing this because I ran across some info, that if true, is awesome, as it seems incorrect, 

in that the feller typed in (Cherokee) for just about every Indian, instead of (Powhaton) where 

I believe it should identify. However, if it looks like I'm joking, I didn't make this line up!

I do remember an Indian who liked a man so much he added his name to his own! Arroyha 

Winigum could be that name, I think that is the name I read about. Also, there is a dispute 

that "Amy Winigum did marry a Paul, just not Paul Bunch." (I know Tomehawk,I know :)

Making note of all that it would seem as if this line makes more sense to me, (by following 

Indian legend instead of educated guesses by educated geneologists,) than lots of others I've 

read over the years. Remember, this ain't my work. Oh, and I ain't found "John Henry 

Jeremiah Bunch" yet, but I have found three "jeremiah Bunch" in searching across the net. 

Yeah, you bet I'm workin' on this stuff, cause it would prove the writing in the books, "Parks 

And Bunch, The Way West". And the legend handed down by my Ancestors.

"There is a legend among descendants of Paul and his brother John Bunch, that they are 

somehow related to Pocahontas, the Pohattan Indian princess who married John Rolfe.

(Park Bunch families by Alice Crandall Park and Mrs. Garland King, Tennessee State Library.)"

(An Opinion) (est., btw., could have, might, perhaps, lived next door to:)

"A common mistake I have come across on the internet is that this elder Paul Bunch was 

married to an Amy Winigum of Orangeburg, SC about the year 1748. I have not looked for a 

marriage certificate for this marriage but I am sure it is true that Amy Winigum did marry a 

man named Paul Bunch. The problem is that people on the internet tend to change dates to 

try to make things fit, which is not a good practice."

IF you believe this is wrong, or have other records, PLEASE help by straightening me out!

(An Opinion)

my direct descendant Paul Bunch married Amy Willigum, a Cherokee Indian from NC. She is 

descended from Willigum, a Cherokee chief. Willigums took the English surname Winningham 

later. 

(Assumptions are allowed and good in this endeavor, correct?)

Of the fewer than one hundred African men who resided in Virginia before 1640, John Punch 

is the only man who bears a surname similar to Bunch. John Punch was an adult male living in 

1 In this section, names will be spelled out as they appear in the text of the document cited 

when the original records are quoted. There was no standardized spelling during this time 

period, so it is not unusual to find surnames or the names of places spelled many different 

ways, even in the same document. 

(This is totally an Assumption. X 2!)

"The children of John Bunch III freely married neighboring  white families." "This indicates 

that the children of John Bunch III must have been great-great grandchildren of the immigrant 

from Africa. Chronology does not allow them to be a generation closer. It is concluded from 

these facts that John Bunch I was son of a white woman by an African immigrant."

(I can only describe this as pert near dreaming.)

"If Hugh Gwynn had refused to grant John Punch his freedom at the end of his term of 

service, it could have provided him motive to seek freedom elsewhere, which he sought in 

1640." 

(So, one might reason? One Surname + One Surname X An Arbitrary sized Radius = *1Amy?) 

"Given the extreme rarity of the surname Bunch in England and Scotland one might 

reason that having traced one white immigrant named John Bunch to his death (headright of 

Gervase Dodson) 14 would make it less likely there were two more unrelated Bunch men 

living in the same thirty mile radius in 1659."

 

Staying Safe from Cataclysmic Events

"And, in general, extrapolations are normally avoided altogether in science, or used only with 

great caution." 

(In a world where anything is possible, then nothing is impossible.)

"PAUL BUNCH born possibly about 1652–58, married by 1679, and died shortly before 16 November 1727"

Capt. John Thomas Rolfe

1585–1622

BIRTH 6 MAY 1585 • Hecham, Norfolkshire, Watkins, England

DEATH 22 MAR 1622 • Jamestown, James City, Virginia, United State

Scent Flower 1480-1525

Wife of Capt. John Thomas Rolfe

Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream 1517-1600

Daughter of Scent Flower

Scent Flower 1517-1600

Daughter of Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream

Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL POWHATAN) 

Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe) 1545-1618

Son of Scent Flower

Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus 1590-1620

Son of Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL 

POWHATAN) Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe)

Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum 1620-

1664

Son of Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus

Paul (Native American) Winigum 1650-1700

Son of Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum

Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch 1668-1748 (Wife of my Paul Bunch est 1652,(1673-1727)

Daughter of Paul (Native American) Winigum

John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee) 1690-1775

Son of Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch

Sarah Allison Bunch 1690-1740

Daughter of John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee)

Maj. John Bunch Holder 1716-1816

Son of Sarah Allison Bunch

Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr 1750-1802

Son of Maj. John Bunch Holder

John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder 1783-1834

Son of Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr

Ann Maria Holden(Holder) 1809-1858

Daughter of John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder

Cornelia Angela Kimball 1834-1941

Daughter of Ann Maria Holden(Holder)

Howard Milton Boullemet 1870-1921

Son of Cornelia Angela Kimball

Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays 1882-1949

Daughter of Howard Milton Boullemet

Lillie May Mazie Wittman 1919-1997

Daughter of Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays

Raymond

You are the son of Lillie 

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There are tons of other similar lines like this one posted above;

https://blog.genealogybank.com/are-you-related-to-pocahontas-john-rolfe.html

My Blog with pics.

https://melungeonbunchsaponi.blogspot.com

Later,

Dan Bunch (Dirty Water Dan)

TEXAS

 OK LETS GET SERIOUS

Trying to look at everything with an open mind, let us take an "unbiased" look at 

this "PUNCH" to BUNCH thing.

 Of course, taking the previous condition of my Genius mindset, it is possible 

that I was, indeed showing myself to be a bit biased:) however I am used to 

that as my brain debates within itself like it was in a debate competition. I'm 

ready to take either side in a debate! Yep, i'm wierd, but as they say, knowing 

yer problem and admitting that; is half the battle toward the cure!

Here I am then, telling you that as the geno's did with Punch/Obama subject, 

my information comes to me about the rest of my family of BUNCH much the 

same way!

To make the sin greater; I knew that before I wrote those articles of.....er..

"Impeachment" (Yeah, that's funny to me. And that kind of tickles ma mind:)

I'm thinking about my Paul Bunch. You see that is about all we have....oops!

I typed "We" when I know better than include myself with the real Geno's work. 

You see, by necessity I am only A name collector. But as I was saying, all they 

have to work with is a hint of who lived where, and next to whom, and most the 

importantly when!

In a world not filled by; your local pharmacy, corner Quikstops, and supermall 

Opticians with "one hour" service for new trifocals. Perhaps two barbershops just 

in your neighborhood. There was no interferance in their lives, let alone 

"paperwork"! Back then there was no streets, let alone corners! 

Without much Government in their lives, there would be nothing to mark their 

passing in this world. What is left to us would be the usual haunts for family

searchers. Their list would be short indeed, as it is for any before the 1600's for 

sure. An old letter; a Bible; recorded deeds; "I remember what momma told 

me"; and that's about seventy percent more than people have to chase. Later, in 

the case of the BUNCH family, court cases are a big trail. Especially in the 

jurisdiction of the "Hanging Judge" of Arkansas. Drunk; Robbery; Thieft; Murder; 

all in the records. And back in Tennessee; counterfieting coins. Back in Old 

Virginia, it was Indians stealing hogs! And a biggie; trying to marry a White 

Woman! The audacity of some people that don't know they place.....:) 

Unless you were mentioned in some Officers' memoirs, or book about travels, 

perhaps a later surveyor's notes, then you were out of luck. So census records 

are very important. Before that, family Bibles filled with births and deaths, which 

are admissible in some cases in court, are a treasure, and a blessing. 

"Quitrents" would be all important. And if your a "Newby" and don't know of 

those, you have a bit of reading to do to catch up.

A hundred years ago, checking me for a "Secret Classification" was easy. The 

Navy came to town in civilian suits, so as to not stand out, which made them 

stand out. Overalls and a soiled, beat up old Stetson, as the Texas Rangers wear 

whenever they trapes around town would have been better. A quick in and out 

to drink a five cent bottled coke, is much better than a "Lawyer Look", or 

Insurance salesmen look, provoking a "stay away from me" attitude you would 

get from most people back in them days! Having a talk with my barber, the only 

pharmacist, and the principal, and your done. Matter of fact, thinking of it, they 

did all that within five blocks of my house! And of course my parents got a 

phone call from everyone they talked to! (I was almost seventeen:)

Well to quit fooling around just to practice my one finger typing skills; lets get to 

the other side of my brain and see what might just mitigate my judgement a 

wee bit. I remembered looking up Punch family hustory. I figured that if it is a 

real name, it must have come from somewhere. Now pulling up my notes from 

my lost file folder, which contains everything after the "C" prompt and the 

"Documents" folder, this is what I found.

"Punch History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms...The name Punch came to 

England with the ancestors of the Punch family in the Norman Conquest of 

1066. It comes from the Latin-Norman personal name Pontius, "hence, 

doubtless, as a diminutive the name Puncheon, variant of Punshon." 

So far, so good. 

"Two other sources claim the name was Norman in origin: having derived from 

the Old Norman French name Ponche or the Old French name Ponce; [2] and/or 

from the Norman name Poyntz or Ponz, a branch of the Fitz-Ponce family. [3]"

French? Sure, they seem to get into every thing:) 

"Early Origins of the Punch family

The surname Punch was first found in various counties throughout Britain. The 

first record of the family was found in the Pipe Rolls of 1181 where Godfrey, 

Phillip Punch(e) was listed. Seman Ponche was listed in the Subsidy Rolls of 

Suffolk in 1327. [2] The Hundredorum Rolls of 1273 list: Robert Punche in 

Oxfrdshire; and Philip Punche in Suffolk. Later the Rolls of Parliament listed 

John Punche, yeoman of the crown (no date given.) [4]"

Oh! So now we have names! we might trace em' down to see which one 

immigrated to the colonies? Skipping down to avoid stuff, we com e to the 

'nitty-gritty.

""The manor [of Linch in Sussex] is described in the Domesday Survey under the 

name of Lince, and at the time when that record was compiled, there were two 

ministers here, with a church. In the 16th century, the place was parcel of the 

estates of the dukes of Norfolk; it afterwards became the property of Viscount 

Montague, and eventually of the family of Poyntz." [6]"

Oh cra-rud! Look what popped up! Most would miss this, not being well-read of 

history, luckily I am. But what a surprise! Especially to me...that name "Poyntz".

Ain't that one of them ancient spellings for BUNCH?

"Anglo-Norman names tend to be marked by an enormous number of spelling 

variations. This is largely due to the fact that Old and Middle English lacked any 

spelling rules when Norman French was introduced in the 11th century. The 

languages of the English courts at that time were French and Latin. These 

various languages mixed quite freely in the evolving social milieu. The final 

element of this mix is that medieval scribes spelled words according to their 

sounds rather than any definite rules, so a name was often spelled in as many 

different ways as the number of documents it appeared in. The name was 

spelled Punch, Poyntz, Pons and others."

That name "Pons" is even closer, And wasn't there a "BUNCH ROW/ROWE" that 

I talked about? Well, it's fairly evident that "PUNCH" and "BUNCH" are involved 

in ancient history of England. End of story! 

Thing is. why was I so....blind?  Ok, ok,  I was close to being wrong. Worse still, 

why is that so hard for a Genius like me to admit?  :)

Later,

Dan Bunch

TEXAS

WHY BUY A DOG WHEN YA GOT A WHOLE HERD OF PLAYMATES?

 http://www.dinsdoc.com/bruce-1-11.htm

Bruce, Economic History of Virginia in the Seventeenth Century. Ch. XI

(DB) Quoted the above here for study, and to further the discussion, as well as for better understanding of the issues. Our thanks to "Bruce" for all his hard work! I'm just a "name-collector, not a Geno by any stretch of the imagination. I am not truly disparaging any Geno or their work, only through study and asking questions can we learn. I just think learn'n don't gott'a be bore'in!

 (DB) Here it is! The truth and lies of the "First Slave" in America....If you can carefully read and understand the subject; and lies separated from truths, amidst all the blood dripping between the lines. You can almost hear the Ghosts speaking through time...to your heart. Screaming for understanding, as they were only human. As are we.

(DB) THE LIE...BUT NOT BY "Bruce, Economic History of Virginia..."

"In 1619, at the moment when the settlers were beginning to feel the first beneficent effects of a milder government, twenty Africans were disembarked from a Dutch privateer, presumably at Jamestown, as the place where a market was most readily found for a cargo of laborers. The ill-fated vessel, which was destined to earn by this single act in its career a sinister immortality in history, was sailing under letters of marque from the Prince of Orange and had been cruising in the Spanish Main for the purpose of capturing Spanish prizes."

(DB) SPOILING THE PLANS OF MICE AND MEN! The conspirator flees.

"Yeardley in the meanwhile having taken the place of Argoll, who had a few days before the arrival of the new Governor returned by stealth to England. The "Treasurer"(DB An English ship) arrived in Virginia in the course of the same summer as the Dutch privateer, but, meeting with a cold reception, she turned back to the Bermudas, carrying with her a number of slaves, who were placed upon the lands which the Earl of Warwick owned in that island. During her stay in the Colony, she seems to have disembarked only one negro, so far as the records shows."

(DB) What? only one negro? Not "TWENTY some odd"? Maybe we know his name! John Punch?

"It has been suggested that the first negroes introduced into Virginia after its occupation by the English were imported in the "Treasurer," and not in the Dutch privateers. All the evidence which has been published goes to confirm the statement of Rolfe,..."

(DB) "into Virginia after its occupation by the English were" Lots of other people of other Nations had started a colonial settlement, even close, if not upon the exact same spot as James City.

"See Census 1624-25, Hotten’s Original List of Emigrants, 1600-1700, p. 224. The name of this negro, who was a woman, was Angela."

(DB) What? A woman? Maybe she was prego?

"In the space of five years immediately following 1619, the number of Africans in the Colony was increased by two."

(DB) Ah Ha! So; she mighta had twins!

"The muster taken of the population in 1624-25 discloses the presence of twenty-two as compared with the twenty brought in by the Dutch privateer, but one of these two additions is accounted for by the fact that the "Treasurer" had landed a negro in Virginia in 1619, and the other had been imported in the "Swan" in 1623. The two children included in the lists of the muster, it may be, were born on the North American continent." 

(DB) Mmmm,...This is beginning to sound awfully familiar..."perhaps one was hatched at sea, inside the, as yet to be marked "Territorial boundaries" then marked as "born in the continental...."

"...if over five years, they were born at sea or in the West Indies. While the mind cannot contemplate the birth of the first negro on North American soil with the same emotions as those aroused by the birth of Virginia Dare, the event nevertheless was one which cannot be regarded without a feeling of the profoundest interest when we reflect upon its association with the great events which were to come after. Whichever of these children, if either, was born in Virginia, it was the first of his race who could claim a nativity in the soil and an absolute identification with its history."

(DB) Amazing to contemplate, ain't it?

"It is an interesting fact that no African perished in the massacre of 1622, when three hundred and forty-five of the colonists fell by the tomahawks and arrows of the Indians." 

(DB) And no births for five years after the first import!

"Their failure to increase in number during the five years immediately...""Five years after the census of 1624-25 was taken, from which it appears that there were twenty-two Africans in the Colony at that time, an important addition was made to the slave population by Captain Grey, who, during a cruise in the ship "Fortune" of London had encountered a vessel loaded with negroes from the Angola coast, captured her and brought her cargo into Virginia. This cargo he exchanged there for eighty-five hogsheads and five butts of tobacco, which were afterwards transported to England for sale. It would seem that no difficulty was found in disposing of these slaves, although they were rude savages stolen only a few weeks before from their native country. The demand for labor was now so urgent that these untrained barbarians were doubtless purchased in haste."

(DB) It is meant, as opposed to "Christ-en-ized" negros, with previ-ou-se employment in the skilled art of enslavement. The Dutch brought negros that attended Church every Sunday? And were "trained", probably by the whip?

"As has been seen in connection with the "Treasurer", which, if not the property of the Company, was owned by its leading members, the restriction to this coast was not strictly observed in its operation." 

(DB) By "Company", he means the investors and thus "owners" in the enterprise of starting a Colony in the "New World". Yeah, Virginia...James Citty...Making money, and eventually putting the Colonists into DEBT to the Company investors, Dub-bull-lee! While quoted by all the history books as having tried to make a buck, and having failed, that is, until "High-Grade" tobacco was established by Rolf. "Established" due to the fact that the NA had a type of the stinkweed long before England was a country!

(DB) Debt in tobacco arriz-ing from Bills to purchase the new incoming "cargo". Shure messes up the narrative, timeline, and the "First Slave in America" theory. seems to me. (Confession due to my conflict: Yea, I was a user; In fact, a "five-pack-a-day man fer a year or two! Also, please notice my surname, if ya ain't already:)

"The Spaniards are said to have occupied Jamestown Island in the previous century and to have sought to make a permanent settlement there, partly by means of the labors of their negro slaves."

(DB) I remember an "Hog Island", but no Jamestown Island? It were a swamp, actually? Spaniards had negro slaves in this land, in the same place Jamestown was later established. Did they leave any? Did any escape? Wadda-you think?

(DB) Why does all of this matter today? I mean after all these years? Because, as a reader and student of History, I know that what has happened may/will happen again! And as my direct kin built the Hope Mansion, it is of great interest to me. Here is a bit of an important history you should read.

https://ncgenweb.us/bertie/indianwoodslostreservation.html

"A LOST RESERVATION by GERALD W. THOMA © 2017

"In April 2017, Dr. Larry E. Tise, Department of History, East Carolina University, contacted me regarding my interest in being a presenter at a conference to be held at Hope Plantation, Windsor, North Carolina, in October 2017, on the history of the Indian Woods reservation."

"English colonists held a disdainful, prejudiced, and discriminatory attitude toward Indians, including mixed-blood persons. Indians were not given the same rights and privileges in colonial North Carolina as those available to citizens of English descent. The Native Americans were largely excluded from English society and were statutorily not allowed to vote. North Carolina law also stipulated that “Indians, Mulattoes, and all mixed Blood, descended from … Indian Ancestors to the Third Generation, Bond or Free, shall be deemed and taken to be incapable in Law to be Witnesses in any Cause whatsoever, except against each other.” In other words, Indians had virtually no legal rights in the eyes of the colony’s judicial system. Equally discriminatory were additional laws related to mixed-blood relationships and the children (mulattoes, quadroons, mustees (octoroons or, more generally, people of mixed ancestry), etc.) born therefrom. Colonial legislators had enacted laws “for Prevention of that abominable Mixture and spurious issue” of white persons intermarrying with “Indians, … Mustees, or Mulattoes.” Laws stipulated that any “white Man or Woman, being free,” who intermarried “with an Indian, … Mustee, or Mulatto . . . or any Person of Mixed Blood, to the Third Generation, bond or free,” was required to pay a sizeable fine to the county in which he or she resided. Personal relationships between whites and any minorities, including mixed-blood individuals, were strongly condemned from a societal point of view.28"

 (DB) But what do I know? I'm just a "name-collector, asking questions.

Dan Bunch

Later,

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BUNCH FAMILY THE OFFSPRING OF PAUL BUNCH WERE ALL SAMPONI

 

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Saponi town. Bunch is indeed one of the core surnames.  Search “Bunch” and you should have months of reading here. 

"the Bunch offspring of Paul; Bunch were all Samponi."