Howdy,

DAN NOTE: Earlier I posted this line below to include BUNCH to Pocahontas kinfolk. Here then are some sources, and some updates from my reading that is hard to believe. Not according to "Hoyle" as far as Geno Rules that the "real Geno's harp on us "name-collectors" and amateurs about! Things no one ever told me! Or posted it to inform me!

From http://powhatan.org, Information from the Powhatan Nation

"And it is here the story gets really interesting. While the history books have long insisted Thomas had but one New World wife, the aforementioned Jane Poythress, recent scholarship has shown that Wyndam Robertson, in his 1887 book, "Pocahontas and Her Descendants," took it upon himself, ostensibly in the interest of clearing up all the spousal confusion, to simply designate an 'official wife' ["I adopt (the name) Jane Poythress"]. As a result of this sloppy genealogy by a prominent historian and theologian, 'Jane Poythress,' a clearly arbitrary name, has ever since been identified by nearly all historians as the undisputed, lone American wife of Thomas Rolfe."

(DN) Yepper! The name, 'Jane Poythress,'IS FAKE! Steady there; If ya ain't ready, there's more!

"[Our records start] with the Indian chief, Murmuring Ripple, who died in 1495. According to the olden history, he was the father of Dashing Stream, who was born May 6, 1474, on the banks of a tributary of the Lancer river, which headed in the Blue Ridge mountains. He died in 1540. Dashing Stream was the father of Scented Flower, who was born June 3, 1517, at the junction of the Dan and Staunton rivers in Virginia. Scented Flower was the father of Powhatan [whose real name was Wahunsenacawh, a Pamunkey who became king, or powhatan, of the confederation of coastal tribes], born June 17, 1545, near New River, Va., and died in 1622, at the age of 77 years. [He had] a daughter by the name of Pocahontas, who was born in 1596, near Jamestown, Va."

"Please note: the names MURMURING RIPPLE, DASHING STREAM and SCENTED FLOWER are FICTIONAL!"

(DN) FICTIONAL! Now, you may have known this, but no one ever posted to tell Dan Bunch this!!

(I always suspected certain names were just too cool and "co-inky-dinky" for me to digest.

"New research over the past few decades [Slatten and Moore, John Brayton, and others] has exposed this long-lived, self-serving Robertson fabrication. It has also unearthed tantalizing fresh evidence linking Thomas Rolfe to other females besides "Jane Poythress" (whoever she was). They include: 1) a cousin of Pocahontas named Oconoco, or Oi Poi. One of their children has been identified as Thomas "Powhatan" Rolfe. Oral tradition says he insisted all his life on being called "Powhatan" 2) a Dorothy Jennings of North Carolina 3) an Indian maid of Dorothy's named Mary Grimes."

"To summarize then, Thomas Rolfe must have had several children, perhaps as many as twelve according to some reports, and they almost certainly issued from more than one wife or mistress. The following offspring have been named in several different accounts, with varying degrees of evidence and conjecture in their support:

- Anne Rolfe Elwyn, born 1633, mother, Elizabeth Washington - John Rolfe, born circa early 1640s, mother, "Jane Poythress" - Thomas Rolfe, Jr., born circa 1645, mother, "Jane Poythress" - William Rolfe, born circa late 1640s, mother, "Jane Poythress" - Jane Rolfe Bolling, born circa 1650, mother, "Jane Poythress" - Ann/Anne/Anna Rolfe Barnett, born circa 1653-65, mother unknown--"Jane Poythress?" Oi Poi? - Thomas "Powhatan" Rolfe, born circa 1665, mother, Oi Poi..."

Capt. John Thomas Rolfe

1585–1622

BIRTH 6 MAY 1585 • Hecham, Norfolkshire, Watkins, England

DEATH 22 MAR 1622 • Jamestown, James City, Virginia, United State

Scent Flower 1480-1525

Wife of Capt. John Thomas Rolfe

Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream 1517-1600

Daughter of Scent Flower

Scent Flower 1517-1600

Daughter of Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream

Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL POWHATAN) Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe) 1545-1618

Son of Scent Flower

Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus 1590-1620

Son of Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL POWHATAN) Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe)

Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum 1620-1664

Son of Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus

Paul (Native American) Winigum 1650-1700

Son of Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum

Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch 1668-1748 (Wife of my Paul Bunch est 1652,(1673-1727)

Daughter of Paul (Native American) Winigum

John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee) 1690-1775 (m Judith Hill 14  Feb 1765 Chowan Co., NC

Son of Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch

Sarah Allison Bunch 1690-1740

Daughter of John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee)

Maj. John Bunch Holder 1716-1816

Son of Sarah Allison Bunch

Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr 1750-1802

Son of Maj. John Bunch Holder

John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder 1783-1834

Son of Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr

Ann Maria Holden(Holder) 1809-1858

Daughter of John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder

Cornelia Angela Kimball 1834-1941

Daughter of Ann Maria Holden(Holder)

Howard Milton Boullemet 1870-1921

Son of Cornelia Angela Kimball

Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays 1882-1949

Daughter of Howard Milton Boullemet

Lillie May Mazie Wittman 1919-1997

Daughter of Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays

Raymond

You are the son of Lillie

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DAN NOTE: (DN) FROM MY NOTES 

" Amy Winigum" FROM:

https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Paul_Bunch_%281%29

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(DB) Oh My Lord! Who did Mr. Punch marry? What Ms. BUNCH?

https://www.theeuropeanlibrary.org/

Bunch Settlers in United States in the 17th Century

Miss Elizabeth Bunch, (b. 1615), aged 20, British settler who arrived in Virginia in 1635 aboard the ship "Alice" [3]

John Bunch, who arrived in Virginia in 1656 [4]

William Bunch, who arrived in Virginia in 1665-1666 [4]

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An Eno-Occoneechee petetion for recognition by the state of North Carolina gave Saponi Indians Jeramiah Bunch (s/o Henry Bunch born about 1690), George Gibson, and Henry Bunch (born about 1690, s/o Paul Bunch) land grants in 1785 along the Eno River just east of Hillsboro, North Carolina.

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https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Paul_Bunch_%281%29

 Amy Winigum

 (DN) "F" MEANS "FATHER"; "M" MEANS "MOTHER" Perhaps included are some mistakes and a few outright LIES! (I'm learning...)

Paul Bunch, Sr.

b.Abt 1664 Hannover, Virginia

d.1726 Chowan County, North Carolina

Family tree?

Name Amy Winigum

Gender Female

Birth? Abt 1668 North Carolina

Marriage 1689

to Paul Bunch, Sr.

Add Parents and Siblings

Spouse and Children

(edit)

H.  Paul Bunch, Jr.

1713 - 1762

W.  Naomi Winigum

Abt 1725 - Bet 1754 & 1819

m. 28 Nov 1748

Add another spouse & children

?Facts and Events

Name Naomi Winigum

Gender Female

Birth? Abt 1725

Marriage 28 Nov 1748 Orangeburg, South Carolina

to Paul Bunch, Jr.

Death? Bet 1754 and 1819

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(DN) MY FILE

https://www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/jeremiah-bunch-24-2pm2t9g

"Jeremiah Bunch John Bunce Mary Spears"

Jeremiah Bunch

Birth

1650 - New Kent, Virginia

Death

16 Nov 1727 - New Kent County, Virginia

Mother

Mary Spears

Father

John Bunce

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Parents

John Bunce born in Hartford, Hartford County, Connecticut, USA in 1650 ...

Mary Spears

1634 - 1734

Spouse(s)

1650 - 1733

Mary Spears 

John Bunce born in Hartford, Hartford County, Connecticut, USA in 1650 ...

1650 - 1733

Mary Spears

1634 - 1734

Born in New Kent County, Virginia, USA in 1634 ...

1634 - 1734

Spouse(s)

Mary? Indian Woman Saponi Tribe

1655 - 1700 Born in Virginia, United States in 1655 ...

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(DN) MY FILE "Husband of Unknown Indian Saponi Bunch"

"https://www.geni.com/people/Jeremiah-Bunch/6000000172425807138"

Jeremiah Bunch

Birthdate: 1650

Birthplace: England (United Kingdom)

Death: November 16, 1727 (76-77)

Immediate Family:

Husband of Unknown Indian Saponi Bunch

Father of Paul Bunch; Henry Bunch; Jesse Bunch; Ephraim Bunch and William Bunch

Managed by: Don Darrell Reid #MA447440C1

Last Updated: February 11, 2021

Immediate Family

Unknown Indian Saponi Bunch

wife

Paul Bunch

Henry Bunc

Jesse Bunch

Ephraim Bunch

William Bunch

About Jeremiah Bunch

Immigrated in 1671

Source Citation

Place: Virginia; Year: 1671; Page Number: 92 Source Information

Ancestry.com. U.S. and Canada, Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2010.

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Jeremiah Bunch

b.Abt 1725 Chowan County, North Carolina

d.1797 Bertie County, North Carolina

Family tree?

Parents and Siblings

(edit)

F.  Henry Bunch

Abt 1690 - 1775

m.

Anne Nancy Bunch

Susannah Bunch

Abt 1714 - 1815

Jeremiah Bunch

Abt 1725 - 1797

Thomasine Bunch

Abt 1729 -

Rachel Bunch

Abt 1733 - Abt 1780

Embrey Bunch

1737 - 1788

Mary Nancy Ann Bunch

1738 - 1811

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Susannah Bunch

b.Abt 1714

d.1815 Greenville County, South Carolina

Family tree?

Parents and Siblings

(edit)

F.  Henry Bunch

Abt 1690 - 1775

m.

Anne Nancy Bunch

Susannah Bunch

Abt 1714 - 1815

Jeremiah Bunch

Abt 1725 - 1797

Thomasine Bunch

Abt 1729 -

Rachel Bunch

Abt 1733 - Abt 1780

Embrey Bunch

1737 - 1788

Mary Nancy Ann Bunch

1738 - 1811

Spouse and Children

(edit)

H.  Thomas Holder

1700 -

W.  Susannah Bunch

Abt 1714 - 1815

m. 7 Sep 1787

Aaron Holder

Elizabeth Bunch Holder

Lavinia Holder

Thomas Bunch Holder

John Bunch Holder

1730 - Bet 1790 & 1799

Elisha Holder

1735 - 1823

Isaac Lanley Holder

1743 -

William Holder

Bef 1755 - 1825

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(DN: FATHER OF SUSANNAH BUNCH

Henry Bunch

b.Abt 1690 Bertie County, North Carolina

d.1775 Bertie County, North Carolina

Family tree?

Parents and Siblings

(edit)

F.  Paul Bunch, Sr.

Abt 1664 - 1726

M.  Amy Winigum

Abt 1668 -

m. 1689

Henry Bunch

Abt 1690 - 1775

Shadrack Bunch

Abt 1706 - 1786

Fortune Bunch

Abt 1708 -

Jesse Bunch

1710 - 1795

John B. Bunch

1712 - Bet 1713 & 1802

Paul Bunch, Jr.

1713 - 1762

Spouse and Children

(edit)

H.  Henry Bunch

Abt 1690 - 1775

m.

Anne Nancy Bunch

Susannah Bunch

Abt 1714 - 1815

Jeremiah Bunch

Abt 1725 - 1797

Thomasine Bunch

Abt 1729 -

Rachel Bunch

Abt 1733 - Abt 1780

Embrey Bunch

1737 - 1788

Mary Nancy Ann Bunch

1738 - 1811

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Later,

Dan Bunch (Dirty Water Dan)

TEXAS

It's A great day here in TEXAS

 Howdy,

It's A great day here in TEXAS! Clear sky, crisp wind, neighbors talking about the torrential 

rain, horrendous wind, and almost a hun'drent tur'nad'urs we just lived through; you know, 

typical for North TEXAS.

I'm writing this because I ran across some info, that if true, is awesome, as it seems incorrect, 

in that the feller typed in (Cherokee) for just about every Indian, instead of (Powhaton) where 

I believe it should identify. However, if it looks like I'm joking, I didn't make this line up!

I do remember an Indian who liked a man so much he added his name to his own! Arroyha 

Winigum could be that name, I think that is the name I read about. Also, there is a dispute 

that "Amy Winigum did marry a Paul, just not Paul Bunch." (I know Tomehawk,I know :)

Making note of all that it would seem as if this line makes more sense to me, (by following 

Indian legend instead of educated guesses by educated geneologists,) than lots of others I've 

read over the years. Remember, this ain't my work. Oh, and I ain't found "John Henry 

Jeremiah Bunch" yet, but I have found three "jeremiah Bunch" in searching across the net. 

Yeah, you bet I'm workin' on this stuff, cause it would prove the writing in the books, "Parks 

And Bunch, The Way West". And the legend handed down by my Ancestors.

"There is a legend among descendants of Paul and his brother John Bunch, that they are 

somehow related to Pocahontas, the Pohattan Indian princess who married John Rolfe.

(Park Bunch families by Alice Crandall Park and Mrs. Garland King, Tennessee State Library.)"

(An Opinion) (est., btw., could have, might, perhaps, lived next door to:)

"A common mistake I have come across on the internet is that this elder Paul Bunch was 

married to an Amy Winigum of Orangeburg, SC about the year 1748. I have not looked for a 

marriage certificate for this marriage but I am sure it is true that Amy Winigum did marry a 

man named Paul Bunch. The problem is that people on the internet tend to change dates to 

try to make things fit, which is not a good practice."

IF you believe this is wrong, or have other records, PLEASE help by straightening me out!

(An Opinion)

my direct descendant Paul Bunch married Amy Willigum, a Cherokee Indian from NC. She is 

descended from Willigum, a Cherokee chief. Willigums took the English surname Winningham 

later. 

(Assumptions are allowed and good in this endeavor, correct?)

Of the fewer than one hundred African men who resided in Virginia before 1640, John Punch 

is the only man who bears a surname similar to Bunch. John Punch was an adult male living in 

1 In this section, names will be spelled out as they appear in the text of the document cited 

when the original records are quoted. There was no standardized spelling during this time 

period, so it is not unusual to find surnames or the names of places spelled many different 

ways, even in the same document. 

(This is totally an Assumption. X 2!)

"The children of John Bunch III freely married neighboring  white families." "This indicates 

that the children of John Bunch III must have been great-great grandchildren of the immigrant 

from Africa. Chronology does not allow them to be a generation closer. It is concluded from 

these facts that John Bunch I was son of a white woman by an African immigrant."

(I can only describe this as pert near dreaming.)

"If Hugh Gwynn had refused to grant John Punch his freedom at the end of his term of 

service, it could have provided him motive to seek freedom elsewhere, which he sought in 

1640." 

(So, one might reason? One Surname + One Surname X An Arbitrary sized Radius = *1Amy?) 

"Given the extreme rarity of the surname Bunch in England and Scotland one might 

reason that having traced one white immigrant named John Bunch to his death (headright of 

Gervase Dodson) 14 would make it less likely there were two more unrelated Bunch men 

living in the same thirty mile radius in 1659."

 

Staying Safe from Cataclysmic Events

"And, in general, extrapolations are normally avoided altogether in science, or used only with 

great caution." 

(In a world where anything is possible, then nothing is impossible.)

"PAUL BUNCH born possibly about 1652–58, married by 1679, and died shortly before 16 November 1727"

Capt. John Thomas Rolfe

1585–1622

BIRTH 6 MAY 1585 • Hecham, Norfolkshire, Watkins, England

DEATH 22 MAR 1622 • Jamestown, James City, Virginia, United State

Scent Flower 1480-1525

Wife of Capt. John Thomas Rolfe

Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream 1517-1600

Daughter of Scent Flower

Scent Flower 1517-1600

Daughter of Scent Flower Powhatan Cornstalk Running Stream

Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL POWHATAN) 

Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe) 1545-1618

Son of Scent Flower

Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus 1590-1620

Son of Wahunsonacock (Emperor Wahunsomacock Powhattan Powhatan CHIEF HILL 

POWHATAN) Powhatan Wahunsonacock Kocoum Powhatan (Patawomeck Tribe)

Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum 1620-

1664

Son of Chief Japasaw (1), aka Opechancanough Powhatan I Oppasus

Paul (Native American) Winigum 1650-1700

Son of Father (Chief of Cherokee Nation) Whipsewansson Wahanganoche of Arroyha Winigum

Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch 1668-1748 (Wife of my Paul Bunch est 1652,(1673-1727)

Daughter of Paul (Native American) Winigum

John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee) 1690-1775

Son of Amy (Cherokee) Winigum Bunch

Sarah Allison Bunch 1690-1740

Daughter of John Henry Jeremiah Bunch (Cherokee)

Maj. John Bunch Holder 1716-1816

Son of Sarah Allison Bunch

Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr 1750-1802

Son of Maj. John Bunch Holder

John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder 1783-1834

Son of Lt. Jesse Elihu Holder Sr

Ann Maria Holden(Holder) 1809-1858

Daughter of John Harbard(Thomas? Ethridge) Holder

Cornelia Angela Kimball 1834-1941

Daughter of Ann Maria Holden(Holder)

Howard Milton Boullemet 1870-1921

Son of Cornelia Angela Kimball

Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays 1882-1949

Daughter of Howard Milton Boullemet

Lillie May Mazie Wittman 1919-1997

Daughter of Mary Cornelia May Boullemet Bays

Raymond

You are the son of Lillie 

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There are tons of other similar lines like this one posted above;

https://blog.genealogybank.com/are-you-related-to-pocahontas-john-rolfe.html

My Blog with pics.

https://melungeonbunchsaponi.blogspot.com

Later,

Dan Bunch (Dirty Water Dan)

TEXAS

 OK LETS GET SERIOUS

Trying to look at everything with an open mind, let us take an "unbiased" look at 

this "PUNCH" to BUNCH thing.

 Of course, taking the previous condition of my Genius mindset, it is possible 

that I was, indeed showing myself to be a bit biased:) however I am used to 

that as my brain debates within itself like it was in a debate competition. I'm 

ready to take either side in a debate! Yep, i'm wierd, but as they say, knowing 

yer problem and admitting that; is half the battle toward the cure!

Here I am then, telling you that as the geno's did with Punch/Obama subject, 

my information comes to me about the rest of my family of BUNCH much the 

same way!

To make the sin greater; I knew that before I wrote those articles of.....er..

"Impeachment" (Yeah, that's funny to me. And that kind of tickles ma mind:)

I'm thinking about my Paul Bunch. You see that is about all we have....oops!

I typed "We" when I know better than include myself with the real Geno's work. 

You see, by necessity I am only A name collector. But as I was saying, all they 

have to work with is a hint of who lived where, and next to whom, and most the 

importantly when!

In a world not filled by; your local pharmacy, corner Quikstops, and supermall 

Opticians with "one hour" service for new trifocals. Perhaps two barbershops just 

in your neighborhood. There was no interferance in their lives, let alone 

"paperwork"! Back then there was no streets, let alone corners! 

Without much Government in their lives, there would be nothing to mark their 

passing in this world. What is left to us would be the usual haunts for family

searchers. Their list would be short indeed, as it is for any before the 1600's for 

sure. An old letter; a Bible; recorded deeds; "I remember what momma told 

me"; and that's about seventy percent more than people have to chase. Later, in 

the case of the BUNCH family, court cases are a big trail. Especially in the 

jurisdiction of the "Hanging Judge" of Arkansas. Drunk; Robbery; Thieft; Murder; 

all in the records. And back in Tennessee; counterfieting coins. Back in Old 

Virginia, it was Indians stealing hogs! And a biggie; trying to marry a White 

Woman! The audacity of some people that don't know they place.....:) 

Unless you were mentioned in some Officers' memoirs, or book about travels, 

perhaps a later surveyor's notes, then you were out of luck. So census records 

are very important. Before that, family Bibles filled with births and deaths, which 

are admissible in some cases in court, are a treasure, and a blessing. 

"Quitrents" would be all important. And if your a "Newby" and don't know of 

those, you have a bit of reading to do to catch up.

A hundred years ago, checking me for a "Secret Classification" was easy. The 

Navy came to town in civilian suits, so as to not stand out, which made them 

stand out. Overalls and a soiled, beat up old Stetson, as the Texas Rangers wear 

whenever they trapes around town would have been better. A quick in and out 

to drink a five cent bottled coke, is much better than a "Lawyer Look", or 

Insurance salesmen look, provoking a "stay away from me" attitude you would 

get from most people back in them days! Having a talk with my barber, the only 

pharmacist, and the principal, and your done. Matter of fact, thinking of it, they 

did all that within five blocks of my house! And of course my parents got a 

phone call from everyone they talked to! (I was almost seventeen:)

Well to quit fooling around just to practice my one finger typing skills; lets get to 

the other side of my brain and see what might just mitigate my judgement a 

wee bit. I remembered looking up Punch family hustory. I figured that if it is a 

real name, it must have come from somewhere. Now pulling up my notes from 

my lost file folder, which contains everything after the "C" prompt and the 

"Documents" folder, this is what I found.

"Punch History, Family Crest & Coats of Arms...The name Punch came to 

England with the ancestors of the Punch family in the Norman Conquest of 

1066. It comes from the Latin-Norman personal name Pontius, "hence, 

doubtless, as a diminutive the name Puncheon, variant of Punshon." 

So far, so good. 

"Two other sources claim the name was Norman in origin: having derived from 

the Old Norman French name Ponche or the Old French name Ponce; [2] and/or 

from the Norman name Poyntz or Ponz, a branch of the Fitz-Ponce family. [3]"

French? Sure, they seem to get into every thing:) 

"Early Origins of the Punch family

The surname Punch was first found in various counties throughout Britain. The 

first record of the family was found in the Pipe Rolls of 1181 where Godfrey, 

Phillip Punch(e) was listed. Seman Ponche was listed in the Subsidy Rolls of 

Suffolk in 1327. [2] The Hundredorum Rolls of 1273 list: Robert Punche in 

Oxfrdshire; and Philip Punche in Suffolk. Later the Rolls of Parliament listed 

John Punche, yeoman of the crown (no date given.) [4]"

Oh! So now we have names! we might trace em' down to see which one 

immigrated to the colonies? Skipping down to avoid stuff, we com e to the 

'nitty-gritty.

""The manor [of Linch in Sussex] is described in the Domesday Survey under the 

name of Lince, and at the time when that record was compiled, there were two 

ministers here, with a church. In the 16th century, the place was parcel of the 

estates of the dukes of Norfolk; it afterwards became the property of Viscount 

Montague, and eventually of the family of Poyntz." [6]"

Oh cra-rud! Look what popped up! Most would miss this, not being well-read of 

history, luckily I am. But what a surprise! Especially to me...that name "Poyntz".

Ain't that one of them ancient spellings for BUNCH?

"Anglo-Norman names tend to be marked by an enormous number of spelling 

variations. This is largely due to the fact that Old and Middle English lacked any 

spelling rules when Norman French was introduced in the 11th century. The 

languages of the English courts at that time were French and Latin. These 

various languages mixed quite freely in the evolving social milieu. The final 

element of this mix is that medieval scribes spelled words according to their 

sounds rather than any definite rules, so a name was often spelled in as many 

different ways as the number of documents it appeared in. The name was 

spelled Punch, Poyntz, Pons and others."

That name "Pons" is even closer, And wasn't there a "BUNCH ROW/ROWE" that 

I talked about? Well, it's fairly evident that "PUNCH" and "BUNCH" are involved 

in ancient history of England. End of story! 

Thing is. why was I so....blind?  Ok, ok,  I was close to being wrong. Worse still, 

why is that so hard for a Genius like me to admit?  :)

Later,

Dan Bunch

TEXAS

WHY BUY A DOG WHEN YA GOT A WHOLE HERD OF PLAYMATES?

Bunch,Native Americans, Saponi, Cherokee, Melungeon,

 What do you do 

With a drunken Sailor?

 What do you do 

With a drunken Sailor?

Root beer bottle, battery fan, rubberband,and tape!

Or a computer, whose fan goes South just as the snow falls on a Holiday? At midnight?

You McGiver! You adapt! You get the job done! Complete the mission! 

Life is fun,If ya' don't weaken :)

Dan Bunch

TEXAS

Just for fun

 http://www.dinsdoc.com/bruce-1-11.htm

Bruce, Economic History of Virginia in the Seventeenth Century. Ch. XI

(DB) Quoted the above here for study, and to further the discussion, as well as for better understanding of the issues. Our thanks to "Bruce" for all his hard work! I'm just a "name-collector, not a Geno by any stretch of the imagination. I am not truly disparaging any Geno or their work, only through study and asking questions can we learn. I just think learn'n don't gott'a be bore'in!

 (DB) Here it is! The truth and lies of the "First Slave" in America....If you can carefully read and understand the subject; and lies separated from truths, amidst all the blood dripping between the lines. You can almost hear the Ghosts speaking through time...to your heart. Screaming for understanding, as they were only human. As are we.

(DB) THE LIE...BUT NOT BY "Bruce, Economic History of Virginia..."

"In 1619, at the moment when the settlers were beginning to feel the first beneficent effects of a milder government, twenty Africans were disembarked from a Dutch privateer, presumably at Jamestown, as the place where a market was most readily found for a cargo of laborers. The ill-fated vessel, which was destined to earn by this single act in its career a sinister immortality in history, was sailing under letters of marque from the Prince of Orange and had been cruising in the Spanish Main for the purpose of capturing Spanish prizes."

(DB) SPOILING THE PLANS OF MICE AND MEN! The conspirator flees.

"Yeardley in the meanwhile having taken the place of Argoll, who had a few days before the arrival of the new Governor returned by stealth to England. The "Treasurer"(DB An English ship) arrived in Virginia in the course of the same summer as the Dutch privateer, but, meeting with a cold reception, she turned back to the Bermudas, carrying with her a number of slaves, who were placed upon the lands which the Earl of Warwick owned in that island. During her stay in the Colony, she seems to have disembarked only one negro, so far as the records shows."

(DB) What? only one negro? Not "TWENTY some odd"? Maybe we know his name! John Punch?

"It has been suggested that the first negroes introduced into Virginia after its occupation by the English were imported in the "Treasurer," and not in the Dutch privateers. All the evidence which has been published goes to confirm the statement of Rolfe,..."

(DB) "into Virginia after its occupation by the English were" Lots of other people of other Nations had started a colonial settlement, even close, if not upon the exact same spot as James City.

"See Census 1624-25, Hotten’s Original List of Emigrants, 1600-1700, p. 224. The name of this negro, who was a woman, was Angela."

(DB) What? A woman? Maybe she was prego?

"In the space of five years immediately following 1619, the number of Africans in the Colony was increased by two."

(DB) Ah Ha! So; she mighta had twins!

"The muster taken of the population in 1624-25 discloses the presence of twenty-two as compared with the twenty brought in by the Dutch privateer, but one of these two additions is accounted for by the fact that the "Treasurer" had landed a negro in Virginia in 1619, and the other had been imported in the "Swan" in 1623. The two children included in the lists of the muster, it may be, were born on the North American continent." 

(DB) Mmmm,...This is beginning to sound awfully familiar..."perhaps one was hatched at sea, inside the, as yet to be marked "Territorial boundaries" then marked as "born in the continental...."

"...if over five years, they were born at sea or in the West Indies. While the mind cannot contemplate the birth of the first negro on North American soil with the same emotions as those aroused by the birth of Virginia Dare, the event nevertheless was one which cannot be regarded without a feeling of the profoundest interest when we reflect upon its association with the great events which were to come after. Whichever of these children, if either, was born in Virginia, it was the first of his race who could claim a nativity in the soil and an absolute identification with its history."

(DB) Amazing to contemplate, ain't it?

"It is an interesting fact that no African perished in the massacre of 1622, when three hundred and forty-five of the colonists fell by the tomahawks and arrows of the Indians." 

(DB) And no births for five years after the first import!

"Their failure to increase in number during the five years immediately...""Five years after the census of 1624-25 was taken, from which it appears that there were twenty-two Africans in the Colony at that time, an important addition was made to the slave population by Captain Grey, who, during a cruise in the ship "Fortune" of London had encountered a vessel loaded with negroes from the Angola coast, captured her and brought her cargo into Virginia. This cargo he exchanged there for eighty-five hogsheads and five butts of tobacco, which were afterwards transported to England for sale. It would seem that no difficulty was found in disposing of these slaves, although they were rude savages stolen only a few weeks before from their native country. The demand for labor was now so urgent that these untrained barbarians were doubtless purchased in haste."

(DB) It is meant, as opposed to "Christ-en-ized" negros, with previ-ou-se employment in the skilled art of enslavement. The Dutch brought negros that attended Church every Sunday? And were "trained", probably by the whip?

"As has been seen in connection with the "Treasurer", which, if not the property of the Company, was owned by its leading members, the restriction to this coast was not strictly observed in its operation." 

(DB) By "Company", he means the investors and thus "owners" in the enterprise of starting a Colony in the "New World". Yeah, Virginia...James Citty...Making money, and eventually putting the Colonists into DEBT to the Company investors, Dub-bull-lee! While quoted by all the history books as having tried to make a buck, and having failed, that is, until "High-Grade" tobacco was established by Rolf. "Established" due to the fact that the NA had a type of the stinkweed long before England was a country!

(DB) Debt in tobacco arriz-ing from Bills to purchase the new incoming "cargo". Shure messes up the narrative, timeline, and the "First Slave in America" theory. seems to me. (Confession due to my conflict: Yea, I was a user; In fact, a "five-pack-a-day man fer a year or two! Also, please notice my surname, if ya ain't already:)

"The Spaniards are said to have occupied Jamestown Island in the previous century and to have sought to make a permanent settlement there, partly by means of the labors of their negro slaves."

(DB) I remember an "Hog Island", but no Jamestown Island? It were a swamp, actually? Spaniards had negro slaves in this land, in the same place Jamestown was later established. Did they leave any? Did any escape? Wadda-you think?

(DB) Why does all of this matter today? I mean after all these years? Because, as a reader and student of History, I know that what has happened may/will happen again! And as my direct kin built the Hope Mansion, it is of great interest to me. Here is a bit of an important history you should read.

https://ncgenweb.us/bertie/indianwoodslostreservation.html

"A LOST RESERVATION by GERALD W. THOMA © 2017

"In April 2017, Dr. Larry E. Tise, Department of History, East Carolina University, contacted me regarding my interest in being a presenter at a conference to be held at Hope Plantation, Windsor, North Carolina, in October 2017, on the history of the Indian Woods reservation."

"English colonists held a disdainful, prejudiced, and discriminatory attitude toward Indians, including mixed-blood persons. Indians were not given the same rights and privileges in colonial North Carolina as those available to citizens of English descent. The Native Americans were largely excluded from English society and were statutorily not allowed to vote. North Carolina law also stipulated that “Indians, Mulattoes, and all mixed Blood, descended from … Indian Ancestors to the Third Generation, Bond or Free, shall be deemed and taken to be incapable in Law to be Witnesses in any Cause whatsoever, except against each other.” In other words, Indians had virtually no legal rights in the eyes of the colony’s judicial system. Equally discriminatory were additional laws related to mixed-blood relationships and the children (mulattoes, quadroons, mustees (octoroons or, more generally, people of mixed ancestry), etc.) born therefrom. Colonial legislators had enacted laws “for Prevention of that abominable Mixture and spurious issue” of white persons intermarrying with “Indians, … Mustees, or Mulattoes.” Laws stipulated that any “white Man or Woman, being free,” who intermarried “with an Indian, … Mustee, or Mulatto . . . or any Person of Mixed Blood, to the Third Generation, bond or free,” was required to pay a sizeable fine to the county in which he or she resided. Personal relationships between whites and any minorities, including mixed-blood individuals, were strongly condemned from a societal point of view.28"

 (DB) But what do I know? I'm just a "name-collector, asking questions.

Dan Bunch

Later,

TEXAS

 MY LINE OF CHEROKEE SAPONI BUNCH

 

JAMES BUNCH ?

HENRY BUNCH

PAUL BUNCH (FATHER OF MICAJAH BUNCH "KING OF MELUNGEON"

MARTIN BUNCH

WILLIAM GREENBURY BUNCH

SAM F. BUNCH

WALTER F. " DUDE" BUNCH

WALTER L. "GOOSE" BUNCH

DAN "Dirty Water" BUNCH

DARRON BUNCH

A SON BUNCH

What if your family had a secret? And what if one day you found out you were not who you think you are? Search "Melungeon" for an incredible adventure into Americas past! Find out where Hitler learned to deal with the "Unwanted" dregs of society! Are you one of the "Lost tribe of Isreal"? Didyour ancestor know the secret that the Knights Templar knew? Did Captain Cook kick your ancestor overboard onto these shores? Or were your ancestors one of the Pilgims, who stole the first corn they put into their mouths in this New World?

My name is Dan Bunch. I was born in Kansas, an Army "Brat". By birth, of Native American - Cherokee; Choctaw, and "Saponi"; African ancestry. Having Melungeon heritage. My mother was a naturalized citizen, a Scot born in Hong Kong. My father, a United States Army veteran of WWII, was born in Texas, a Cherokee-Choctaw-Melungeon. My particular family line, having its origin along the James River, includes Pamunkey/Saponi. And Paul Bunch, brother of Micajah Bunch; King of the Melungeon. 

I was totally ignorant of African and Melungeon heritage, spending my formative years in Whitewright, Texas, where I was exposed to the typical "White" American youth experience of; school; football, baseball, and boxing, and farm work. I enlisted in the United States Navy Reserve at the age of seventeen while still a junior in high school. Seeing the murder of a President caused me to get irate at the wrong people, the Communists. Not that they don't deserve all the hate the humanity of the world's population can muster.

I had a multitude of experience in the business world. I got lost working in stockrooms of a large world-wide corporation when just out of the U.S.Navy, in insurance sales, real estate sales, and in custom home building. I am now retired with my wife as country "Ranchers", and call myself a writer. I can attribute my interest in many subjects to an early career as a newspaper boy in my hometown of Whitewright, Texas. 

I married my high school sweetheart Gayle in 1965, a brilliant woman with a professional carreer in finance. We have two children and five grandchildren. I'm a graduate of Grayson County Jr. College, which I attended at night upon my return from active military service in Vietnam. In Vietnam I was a crewmember aboard U.S. Navy River Patrol Boats, seeing service in the Rung Sat Special Zone, and in the Delta. Experiencing many machinegun, rocket, and mortar engagements with the enemy, I got a "Ho-Che-Min"; awarded in the field, my Petty Officer chevron, and obtained the rank of Gunners' Mate Missiles Petty Officer Second Class. I'm a lifetime member of the DAV; and member of a Navy Veteran association. 

I was totally ignorant of my African and Melungeon heritage due to a blood oath taken by Great Grandfather Sam Bunch, not to tell anyone about the family past during his migration to Texas. Several families migrated from Tennessee amidst the diaspora undertaken by those of Great-Grandfather's generation. Melungeons, Native-Americans; mullotta; who suffered Mr. Walter Plecker's insane plans to exterminate those of African mulloto and Native American ancestry in VA. Walter Plecker's plan, soon adopted by Adolph Hitler, was the inspiration for the infamous "Final Solution".

Whitewright, Texas is famous for the uncovering of the thief, and recovery of, the "Mecklinberg Treasure". This priceless treasure of church antiquities, hidden from the Nazi in a cave during the occupation of World War II, disappeared while being guarded by American troops.

This Bunch family is Cherokee; Choctaw, Saaponi, and African influnced ancestry, a Melungeon heritage. The Cherokee/Melungeon/African line is traced through these names from VA, to TN, to TX; John Bunch; Paul Bunch; Martin Bunch (brother of Micjah Bunch, King of Melungeon); WilliamGreenbury Bunch; Sam Bunch; Walter Bunch; Walter Bunch; Dan Bunch. 

The Choctaw comes from my Grandmother, Ronda McNabb Bunch, Whose line comes through Germanna influnce of a Conrad Rubin Willhoit of Govenor Spottswood fame. Some of the famous Carpenter/Farmer Bunch ancestors would include; a Nobel Prize Winner; a U.S. Senator from Tennessee; as well as a host of Military officers, soldiers, thieves, forgers, murders, and spies, dating from before Jamestown; the indian wars; and serving the British long before the of independance. Melungeons served mostly in the Union Army during the Civil War, due to their treatment by their Southern neighbors. The men and women of the 

Bunch surname have contributed greatly to the military defense of the United States serving in all its wars. I can attribute my interest in many subjects to my love of reading and early career as a newspaper boy in my hometown of Whitewright, Texas. 

Whitewright, a then mean small town in North Texas having no library nearer than the County Seat, Sherman, Texas, twenty-five miles away. Excepting the High School library, a meager collection of reference and well -chosen books of American Classics that was devoid of anything lurid, spicy, or mature, "woke" and bawdy. A collection accessable to any year-round. But only by scaling the outside wall and sneaking in through an unlocked third story library window. Being absolutely horrible at retaning anything "taught" to me, including the multiplication table! I fed my insatiable thirst of trying to learn something of every subject by reading all the books in that small library. (I later learned about Dislexia. If your early reader asks, "What is this word," whenever he sees the words; who, whom, what, where; get the child checked by an expert, they can help, so the child won't have to "yell" what he reads silently to himself, within his own brain, as he copes.)

THE BUNCH STORY:

My family started, they tell me, as Danish. Then fled to Ireland because of religious persecution. These Irish Bunch's migrated to where Scotland is now. They invaded but found so much in common with the people of the area that they intermarried! Commonality in following the mother's line for instance, and that will be inportant later, when mingling with Native American.

These beutifull people are known in history as the "Pict". The Pict were the original people of the north end of the island of Britiania. Never defeated by the Roman Legions, who stopped to build Haddrians Wall, one of the important constuctions of the ancient world. The wall was to built for control of the commerce, and to keep the Pictish hoards out. During war the dark-skinned Pict fought male and female, side by side, totally nude! An amazing site with tattoos all over their bodies! The tattoos of the Pict are where we get the word "Picture".

After the Romans pulled out of Britania due to problems at home, (The Romans were auctioning off the office of Emperior) the Pict and other native peoples attacked the Norman-Saxon, who in?vaded from the Germanic continant and took over the land in the English South. The Pict were defeated when on the opening of the war their fleet of ships was destroyed in a huge storm!

The Norman-Saxon, who had tried for centuries to overcome the Romans and take possession of the land conqured the native peoples. But instead of killing them all off they intermarried with them! These dark native people, with their tattoos, were very beautifulll indeed, because the Royalty of the Norman-Saxon intermarried with the Royalty of the Pict.

Yes! The Pict Royalty, my Bunch Family, and the Royalty of England and Scotland were mixed race from the beginning almost. Actually they were Tri-racial! Irish; Pict; and Germanic! There was a Pict Royalty, a Princes, Married to a Bunch, or had the bunch name from birth. I forget which. The English Royal family changed it's name from Germanic to English/French during WWII, as Hitler invaded much of Europe. If you don't know at least that much, stop and learn some "real history", which geno is about mostly.

Yes, they Royal family of Britian is of mixed race! Had paintings in oil of the Royal family not been invented we would not have seen this then either. Beacuse it was, later of course, fashionable to show, paint, the subject as being very white! Challenge that if you must, but be prepared to accept the fact that the English ate human body parts and drank blood long before they came to America to accuse the Amer-indian of doing this "barbarous" act! 

Actually the Brititsh imported much of the human body parts they consumed as medicianal. Harvested from the battlefields of France!Then My Family of Bunch came to America. Here the names and places are very fuzzy. Did my family come from the "James Bunch..." traded land for passage"? It would seem the family experinced the same, some coming as indentured servants, who were treated much the same as African slaves, except that outright murder of the bonded servant was seen as un-Christian! 

Many bonded were taken out of prision and sold into bondage by the Monarch, to enrich and populate the New World, and to regain any expenses and or monies and fines owed the Crown by these prisioners. Some imprisioned voluntarily came as a way to avoid prision and death, and begain anew. Some begged for death instead of transport, as the "middle passag" experience and death was very high. While survival after brutal abuses was very low and disabling for many that did survive.

One of My Bunch Family bred with an African servant. None that were "White" of course would marry a bondwoman. They all wanted to better themselves, and the way to do that was mainly, by custom, though marrage. "Marrying up" as they say. Another way was to be a military hero, or perhaps be Knighted for some deed to the Monarchy. Not many heroes are born, so they usually looked to marrage to upgrade themselves in English society. If you came up one step on the social ladder you were a moving man, getting somewhere in society, if only your son could do that well, he might become a gentleman! Only later did Plantation owners learn how to cheat the bounded out of his promised land and freedom.

The pages on this site contain my impressions and my thoughts. I am responsible for the contents! I write. Not only do I write, but I think! I wonder what you think of my thoughts. How can I find that out, unless I have the freedom, within constraints of all applicable laws, to express my views and thoughts? Express them in a context, and in a forum, and in a medium, that will convey them to you? That is what this is! Freedom of expression! Nothing more. But nothing less! I did not earn that right. It was given me by my ancestors! I only claim it.

Have you ever had a nightmare that you suddenly were not you? What could be more intensive, or scary, if you for instance found out you were adopted? Wouldn't that cause you to have some questions that just needed to be answered? Where would you turn for the answers? What if your family heritage left behind by a Great Grandfather was purposefully a lie? A lie of oommission intended for you to pass on to your children and grandchildren! A lie formed to hide you from the United States Government in order to hide your ethnic origins and keep your children safe from those seeking to sterilize them or place them into a mental asylum! To chase them down, take custody of them, and then house and treat them, just because they said and believed that they were Native Americans! I found that my family suffered horribly from their version in time of the "Homeland Security" efforts! A program so well liked that Adolph Hitler's henchmen put it into practice to rid themselves of a similar "problem"!

For a wonderful, and awesomely inspiring true story of a people's struggle to overcome all degradation and persecution and discrimination to become "normal" citizens of America, start your journey into a self-discovery of the Melungeon! This will be the beginning of the most amazing, wonderful, inspiring, and exiting adventure into history you have ever been on, I guarantee it!  Search for Jack Goins blog of the Melungeon and Native American to begin your adventure into learning of the courageous and strong-willed Melungeon! Also get his books, which are highly regarded in the Melungeon research world.

BUNCH FAMILY THE OFFSPRING OF PAUL BUNCH WERE ALL SAMPONI

 

Little Bird Learns To Fly  $450

Saponi town. Bunch is indeed one of the core surnames.  Search “Bunch” and you should have months of reading here. 

"the Bunch offspring of Paul; Bunch were all Samponi."

FINALLY; THE END OF CONFUSION

 FINALLY; THE END OF CONFUSION

(WHICH MEANS THIS IS MY CONCLUSION:)

MY Name, for critics to use; is Dan Bunch.  

(DN =DAN NOTE)

(Please excuse the spelling, I have a good excuse, and a Doctor's note:)

As one critic said to me years ago during a rant about a particular magazine article, ( In those days there was actually print on paper! Not just bits n' bytes:) "You just love to see your name up there, don't ya?""Well...yes, that's

the whole point!"

Being a self-ordained genius is not easy, but it is much harder if you have to defend yourself. In other words, the proof should be in the pudding!

This article is not meant to deride, nor say any author or researcher is wrong about any theory of where the "Melungeon" people came from. But instead, it is my conclusion to my study of the subject. Which, until now I have not voiced, nor written for publishing. 

First you want to be confident in your conclusions, based upon your correct information ingested, and your thought process is in line with your view of the world. (You have to live in the world and enjoy some of it's, sometimes shocking or cruel truths.)

By view of the world, I mean using your accepted logic. (there are thousands!) 

That is why they use "Public education" as a way to get everyone on the "same page", so to speak. So they can understand one another when working together at their chosen endeavors, be that "sweat" jobs, that earn very highly these days! "Blue Collar", which is for the most part "High Tech" today. Or Management, having a tuff time implmenting new "Woke" agendas within the workforce their "Boards" demand. 

Where-as the Elite get a "Private education", to seperate their little minds with a much different logic of "their world view".)

(DN: Mine is "Non-Aristolien Logic". Look that up for correct spelling and kicks:)

Then, after a long, in this case, years of running through books; articles; and the internet, as well as rechecking "facts", I waited for time to flow past, letting the controversy from people interested in this subject voice their opinions and argue their views and thoughts about about such a singular historical fact. One in which we were so affected. But in the end leaving us  with almost no mention except to say; "They existed - but how?

I thought my thoughts for a few years, waiting for a real researcher or investigator of history to develope anything approaching what I thought about the subject. After all, no shy person such as I wants to stir up controversy or end up with egg on their face, having to answer hundreds of emails from my betters. 

So I waited and used my time wisely. Reading about "Aliens" populating the planet with people having discriptions very similar to the "Melungeons" at discovery.

Waiting so as not to be labeled a "hieratic" and further aggravate someone to actually hang me from my own family tree. And I don't mean that less than literally! I now have a handle upon our subject (Which really means I finally have enough courage. Being very old has it's advantages, seen from my end of things.) to feel confidence in my thoughtfull studies,

There is a problem now however. Instead of just "copy and past" for your notes needed of ancient history, you have to deal with highly educated "Woke" individuals with low IQ. I am refering to my opinion of a certain website. Years ago I used it's wonderful pages of information to research many subjects, especially dealing with famous persons in history. But today, because of letting "Woke" editors from the public have the power to "add, edit or change", even deleating previous pages. We now have the ability to use the same search terms to find altered information; condensed down to one thin paragraph about a historical person as you run over the highlighted name with your mouse, and almost nothing about the sometimes cruel truth having to do with the main subject of the site!

In other words, it is, in my opinion, in the form now of "High-brow "Woke" Elitist Blueblooded" low IQ individuals working for Government. Each page now reads in fact like a travel broucher! (Laws won't allow me to mention URL in this context unless I want to spend money I ain't got on lawyers! :) 

It's all still there, but having no relation to the pure unaltered simple truth, easily grasped, and having the same flavor of truth in times of brutality of the human spirit.

The wording is used to draw your eyes and mind away from the, at times, murderous doings of the ancients. A distraction of "Places to visit and things to do" while you visit this neck of the woods. Yes, travel here to this land 

of 1,000 different kinds of wine, and whiterock caves growing the tastiest mushrooms in bat soil.

Ignore, if you can, your ancient family history about horrible bloodletting,

flowing like rivers to enrich the soil. Above all, you must be distracted from that, so you might see this government as brutal warlike savage rapists, plunderers, and thieves. Actually, there may not have been any government back then. But the powers that be don't like to be painted with the same brush. which is most likely done by those "dumbed down" and suffering from a "Public education" are want to do.

Now for you high-brows, a little copy n' past.

(DN = DAN NOTE)

Melun (French pronunciation: [m?lœ~], local pronunciation: [møl?~]is a commune in... 

History

Meledunum began as a Gaulish town; Caesar noted Melun as "a town of the Senones, (DN Senones = Gauls) situated on an island in the Seine"; at the island there was a wooden bridge,(DN: two bridges now serve, one on either side of the island. ) which his men repaired. [1] Roman Meledunum was a mutatio where fresh horses were kept available for official couriers on the Roman road south-southeast of Paris, where it forded the Seine. 

(DN:  interesting word; "Mutatio", isn't it?)

BUY FROM FANATICAL (DN: It was the "Geneiva" of its day, and for ages before history. )

The Normans sacked it in 845. The castle of Melun became a royal residence of the Capetian kings. Hugh Capet (See also: House of Capet) gave Melun to Bouchard, his favorite. In the reign of Hugh's son, Robert II of France, Eudes, the count of Champagne, bought the city, and the king took it back for the viscount in 999. Le Chatelain and his wife, who had sold the city, were hanged. Robert (DN: HUGH CAPET = ROBERT I?) died there in July 1031.

The région is a major tourist destination for international visitors. Of historical interest are the châteaus of Versailles, Mantes-la-Jolie, Rambouillet, Fontainebleau, Vaux-le-Vicomte, and Champs. A large Disneyland theme park in Marne-la-Vallée also is a significant tourist draw.

(DN: Another page, where context is everything. Sorry about what seems to be repetitive:)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melun#History

The Normans sacked it in 845. The castle of Melun became a royal residence of the Capetian kings. Hugh Capet (See also: House of Capet) gave Melun to Bouchard, his favorite. In the reign of Hugh's son, Robert II of France, Eudes, the count of Champagne, bought the city, but the king took it back for Bouchard in 999. The chatelain Gautier and his wife, who had sold the city, were hanged; Eudes escaped. Robert died there in July 1031.

In July 1415, Melun was besieged by King Henry V of England, who had recently signed the Treaty of Troyes with King Charles VI of France. The town was in the hands of the Dauphin, later Charles VII of France, who had been dispossessed by the treaty. The defenders were led by Arnaud Guillaume, seigneur de Barbazan, and fought off the besiegers for fourteen weeks before capitulating.[6] The town was liberated by Joan of Arc on 17 April 1430.

(DN: And it ends like this. Only within the article, moreso. :) 

The région is a major tourist destination for international visitors. Of historical interest are the châteaus of Versailles, Mantes-la-Jolie, Rambouillet, Fontainebleau, Vaux-le-Vicomte, and Champs. A large Disneyland theme park in Marne-la-Vallée also is a significant tourist draw.

(DN: By the way, I can quote parts exactly in order to discuss the article, but nothing else. This "Dumbing Down" makes it read like a Chinese travelogue.)

(DN: What they left out, from my reading long ago)

England and France were at war. A treaty, which is the ultimate end to all wars, let the English stop where they were, and own the part of France they had won. Including the isle of Melun.

King Robert I gave it to a friend. A man placed in charge and his wife took it when England was weakened by a distraction. They made themselves King and Queen of Melun Island. That made the rightful King mad! Then they "sold" their island Kingdom. The King of England died, "Long live the King!"

His son, the King, got much angrier! He sent an army to take it back. This took a while, as it is a fortified island. But it finally fell. The victors rode in and promptly hung the usurpers from a bridge.

 

Now that was short and sweet. My rendition due to not finding my files from long ago. But wait! something was mentioned, but not expounded upon, of the "Buyer" Eudes escaping! But how? Where to? Who else escaped?

Well we will have to use ny remembered reading of years past. By the way, did I tell you I am a genious? :) Well, that's pretty much the way my old brain works these days, due to my many medical problems:) But that is what we have to depend upon as that part seems to be missing from today's travelogue. 

Ok. to quit fooling around; the "Buyer", Eudes, of the real estate known as Melun skeedadled. But not by himself! The son of the "Sellers", that is, "Party of the first part", put three or four ships into shape. These ships, loaded with people, but not much food, as that was in short supply after such a long siege, escaped and sailed somehow by sailing down river past English waters, and out into open seas!

(DN: Wait for it;...) And dissapered from history! Where did they go? No one knows.

What happened to them? No one knows.

Maybe they all sunk in a storm? Maybe that became "The lost tribe O,Isrial? 

or maybe taken by Pirates and sold as slaves? After all, one of Caeser's most loyal divisions of troops were men from North Africa, which surely intermarried during years spent trying to work out terms during peace talks at Melun. A role that Melun has played for generations before Caeser, and generations after.

As a matter of fact, Melun also later became a hub of airplane engeneering and flight during a couple of World Wars or more. 

The Englishmen who found some strange people after the first war with the indians of Virginia, were Adventerous, well educated, from well-connected families. Well-traveled, and very educated. To the point of speaking several languages, including latin, and knowing much of history of Kings, wars, and lands gained and lost from wars, and through treaties. These were no ordinary men. That is to say Ordinary Seaman or some other bold men. These were, for the most part "Second Sons". Sons of "Well To Do" families. Having no chance of inheratance of Castles nor "Freeholds", which by English law and custom go to the "First Born" male. But being in that position, given liberal educations, schooled in the arts, such as music; dancing; poetry, (DN: Very important in the far East, even today!.

It's time to look back at my studies to better understand what these men might have been thinking at the time. And by doing that, you may come to believe as I do. They had it right. But viewing it from our "Pudding Headed" Educators, we

may have seen it from a scewed education. Time to Copy n' Past...using my method of study.

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7-letter words that end in geon

surgeon

dungeon

dudgeon

gudgeon

burgeon

widgeon

6-letter words that end in geon

pigeon

wigeon

(DN: I did not make this next stuff up! It's so cool and fits in so well I have to make this note:)

Etymology

From Middle English yon, from Old English geon, from Proto-Germanic *jainaz. Compare English yon and German jener.

Pronunciation

IPA(key): [jon]

(North Northern Scots, Orcadian) IPA(key): [j?n]

(Shetlandic) IPA(key): [j?n]

Adjective

yon (not comparable)

that, those, yonder (indicating a person or thing at some distance in time or space usually more remote than that)

Pronoun

yon

that one person or thing, etc.

those

Adverb

yon (not comparable)

yonder, over there, further away

thither, to that place

Derived terms

yonwey (“yonder way”)

Tatar

Etymology

From Proto-Turkic *ju?. Compare Kazakh ??? (jün, “wool, fur, feather”).

Noun

yon

Did you get that first line? "from Old English geon"? And do you remember we are told those strange people spoke Cherokee; old English, one generation out of favor; and another language none of the Englishmen, nor the indians with them knew.

It could have been any language on this Earth, but certainly not Germanic; Dutch; Turkish; Latin; nor Arabic, or Israeli, because that would have been understood. How about Swahilli (SP), a South African language? Nope, although not enumberated here, I'll bet some African slaves were along and would have 

"picked up" on these people useing most African Languages.

Yep! I have come to the conclusion. I do think it was and is just that simple. "These people are from 'way over yonder', speaking and living as if they are from Ancient Melun, "Back in the time", before Robert II took the island back for England! "You remember those people that took ship and dissappeared? This must be them!"

Putting thought into the evidence they gathered, just as we just did, and inputting learned history, they made an educated guess! They could have been wrong.

"Yes. Way back in time; Way over yonder; From Melun...."Melungeon"!

(DN: "Non-Aristoleon Logic" is a made-up term by the Arthur of a famous SI-FI book written long before you were born. Which basically states, "The murderer is the one who did it. :)